[HW] Google not matching Apple offer

Intel yszi80
Dec 17, 2018 39 Comments

Hi,
- 6 yoe in HW validation
- interviewed at Apple, got an offer for L4 [170k/160k/35k]
- got interviewed at Google for their Consumer HW team

Google recruiter said the interview feedback is largely positive and they would want to move ahead with offer after HC review, but said it won't be anywhere near 170k base. They asked me whether I still want to move ahead with 120k-130k base range.

Is this common? Anyone else had experienced similar situation?

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  • Oracle / Eng zackberger
    I didn't know hardware with 6 yoe only gets what swe new grad would get. Fuck that's unfair.
    Dec 17, 2018 5
    • Google / Ops Huhf13
      L4 is not new grad
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Amazon NoStranger
      Where does a swe new grad get a 170K base.. what kind of willy wonka world do you live in
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Salesforce CloudSurfr
      Pretty sure he meant the 120-130 base for new grads...
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng tier1
      at bloomberg swe new grads can get 170 base, but that’s cuz we don’t have rsus
      Dec 17, 2018
    • 170k is L5 territory for base as a Google SWE. and despite all the braggerts here I never saw a sub-32 year old at L5
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Google merin
    They will match you in total comp. Balance will be in RSU.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
    You might be getting L3. I know HW ladder is up to 15% less, so you might still be L4, but not sure.
    You should take Apple - Apple ICT4 is Google L5 equivalent
    Dec 17, 2018 7
    • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
      Your options are essentially a promo vs a down level. Being higher level typically affords more flexibility to move around. I’d rather see if Apple can find you a better fit project than go to Google
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      isn't L3 at Google an Entry Level/RCG? That's too much of down level..:-)
      Dec 18, 2018
    • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
      Yup, L3 would be new grad. You might be getting L4 though - check with recruiter. Even at Google L4, it is lower than Apple ICT 4
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      Checked with the recruiter, it is going to be L4..but he confirmed they can not offer more than 200k TC for this specific position (even with competing offer)
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
      Okay that isn’t as bad as L3. The supposed limit on offer is concerning given the L4 level. If you don’t have specific reason for wanting Google (location, name, want less responsibility and just cruise), you should choose Apple. Similar prod area, tight deadlines, but better quality, consistent delivery, higher pay, and higher role @ Apple.
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Intel / Ops
    GMoo

    Intel Ops

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    GMoomore
    Are both offers for bay area ? Are you PhD? Be transparent with G (don't bluff on A numbers or you risk losing the offer) and they will beat it regardless of level. L3 is actually good since you will grow fast. ICT4 at A can be terminal grade..
    Dec 17, 2018 5
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      yes, both the offers are for bay area. MS + ~6.5 yoe
      (don't bluff on A numbers or you risk losing the offer) - can you elaborate?

      I just told exact numbers to G recruiter, she said they can't beat it and I should think about taking Apple offer if the numbers are real and if you have hard deadline to accept (HC review and req approval will take some time for them)...I am not sure why would they suggest so?
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Intel / Ops
      GMoo

      Intel Ops

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      GMoomore
      HC review not done yet ? How can they talk about offer yet ..
      Dec 18, 2018
    • Broadcom Ltd. / Eng
      headbanger

      Broadcom Ltd. Eng

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      headbangermore
      They did something very similar to me in 2014. I had an offer from Broadcom with a deadline and I already told them this before they flew me in for on-site. I nailed the interview but two days later, the HR told me: since you already have an offer from Broadcom with an upcoming deadline, we have decided to pass. We didn’t even get to talk about numbers. And why did they even bother flying me in knowing I had a deadline in a week? They knew their hiring process took longer than a week. They were new to chip design at the time and I myself was concerned joining a SW company doing chip design for the first time. So I wasn’t disappointed at all and thought it was a blessing in disguise. But it was an interesting experience because the place did look like the movie The Internship. The first thing HR did on-site was take me to their “candy room”. I kept my composure so I wouldn’t laugh. I was thinking to myself that their young engineers will end up becoming diabetic when they reach my age 😂😂😂
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      I am in similar situation..the recruiter repeatedly asked me about Apple deadline and insisted I should accept/reject Apple offer before we can talk real numbers (which will be very low range anyways)
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Intel / Ops
      mastt

      Intel Ops

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      masttmore
      I was in similar situation and G expedited things and I held course/delay as much possible. My interviews went very strong with a lot of interest. Finally got a good one :)
      Dec 19, 2018
  • You just didn't interview that well @Google. Maybe next time ....
    Dec 18, 2018 1
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      maybe..but in that case rejecting a candidate would have been better than offering low ball RCG package..
      Dec 19, 2018
  • Qualcomm
    ic-rf

    Qualcomm

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    ic-rfmore
    Go to Apple.
    Google got into HW without realizing how much 💰💰💰 developing HW costs in terms of equipment and engineering. They’ve started cost saving measures by focusing their hiring in Taiwan rather than the US. Check their job postings. It won’t surprise me that they downsize their HW teams sometime from now
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • They bought HTC. The supposed "AI" in the phone is nothing of the sort! It's a signal processing chip custom design in silicon valley, by my roommate's brother and others. when they can think of a new value-add they will do the design work in silicon valley!
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Qualcomm / Eng
    rbo

    Qualcomm Eng

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    rbomore
    is this ASIC
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      Yes, consumer hardware for ASIC Validation
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Cisco Wakeup
    It’s pretty clear you should go to apple.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Google merin
    Sounds like you got L3 at Google. They usually don't negotiate level but you can definitely get them to match Apple L4 on pay.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Autodesk DouP01
    Lol wow shame on google for not treating their HW people well. This is why their HW market share is so low
    Dec 17, 2018 2
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Oh, they are really doing badly by staying out of the HW market? The capital investment is ridiculous and that is why HW doesn't get paid. I spend >500k ~2-3 years for equipment if it's high end electronics. I make a company less than a SW engineer.

      *edit: a team of 3-5 may require that money. Beyond 3-5, extra purchases are made or it becomes the construction industry with 1 shovel and 7 people
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Shame on Qualcomm for treating their SWEs like garbage. It cuts both ways. And Google is NOT staying out of the hardware market their data center board designs make them ~#5 on Earth computer maker. But if you want to build consumer products China has sucked all the living wages from that market ....
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Apple oil god
    Come to Apple. You’ll do the best work of your life here
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • Intel gyrados
      On my way
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Intel / Ops
    jopling

    Intel Ops

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    joplingmore
    Wait for the offer. They will beat the apple one. RSU can make the difference too. Congrats on making G.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Nvidia monolith
    That is an awesome Offer from Apple
    Though.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • New ASTy57
    Apple definitely sounds better. What is the TC per year ? 170 + 40 + 35/4 = 217.5 ? Or is the TC 335 per year ?
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      it's definitely ~220, not 335
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Qualcomm xion
    @yszi80 what did you do finally ? A or G or some other ?
    Jan 8 0