🏆 Most prestigious company for product managers?

Amazon []{}()
Sep 11 39 Comments

Based on:

* Average talent quality
* How hard it is to get hired
* How much impact they have on the product
* Compensation
* Reputation/track record

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TOP 39 Comments
  • Amazon göktürk
    killedbygoogle.com
    Sep 11 8
    • Amazon oyVu40
      There are lot of internal tools which have a corresponding AWS product but the internal tool sucks. (Sable vs DynamoDB). It has been a long going complaint that it's hard to use AWS internally than from outside.
      Sep 11
    • Amazon göktürk
      we use dynamodb internally...
      Sep 11
    • Amazon oyVu40
      I know new projects people obviously used DynamoDB since it got popular, but a lot of legacy systems are still based in Sable. Migrations to DynamoDB are underway, but costly.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/amazon-internal-documents-what-caused-prime-day-crash-company-scramble.html
      Sep 11
    • Amazon göktürk
      article calls Sable a storage service; is it DDb or S3 its competitor?
      Sep 11
    • Amazon monadic
      You sound like an intern. Virtually all the AWS tools are brandings of internal tools
      Sep 11
  • Amazon monadic
    I’ve worked at 4 of the 5 FAANGs and none of the PMs come close to the PMs at Amazon in terms of competence
    Sep 11 9
    • Amazon []{}()
      OP
      Amazon actually has three different classifications for product: PM, PM-T and PM-T ES. If you are a PM for something like S3 you better have technical competence...
      Sep 11
    • Salesforce jwick
      Looks like somebody forgot about PMT, which is different from PM and TPM at Amazon
      Sep 11
    • Tableau Kaczynski
      The majority at least when I was there were NOT PM-Ts. In fact that title didn’t even exist at the time. Amazon has had various titles: TPPM, PMT, blah, blah. At least a few years ago, what I described above was the most common in the majority of orgs. Irrespective the broad statement saying Amazon PMs were more competent, especially technically, than others is silly and totally untrue. But then what do I expect from Blind?
      Sep 11
    • Amazon monadic
      Your name is that of the Unabomber and you work at Tableau. We can’t take you seriously.

      I never worked at Microsoft.

      This is anecdotal and perhaps your experience at Amazon wasn’t representative. The interview process expects a decent competency and perhaps it’s because the PM can look up the Percentile metrics of any product makes it difficult to bullshit. Perhaps amazon has changed since you left.
      Sep 11
    • Tableau Kaczynski
      Working at Tableau and having a dumb username is criteria to not take one seriously? Good to know! Besides, I don’t work at Tableau now.

      In no way did I ever say PMs at Amazon were not competent. In fact, I asserted they were some of the best—based on certain criteria. But I know with certitude many of the PMs at Amazon do *not* have deep technical backgrounds. They were there when I was and I can see on LinkedIn that they still are. That’s just a fact.

      Looking up percentile metrics? That is your basis? We are talking about very different contexts. Looking at metrics requires no technical background. In fact I’m not clear on your context unless it’s a very narrow one since PM interaction at other companies tends to be far more broad that what I saw at Amazon, where again TPM and dev manager pick up much of what PMs often do elsewhere..

      I wouldn’t have made any response except for the oddly disparaging comment about folks in these roles at other companies being less competent and Amazon having the BEST!
      Sep 12
  • Amazon oyVu40
    Amazon has the best product managers and Google has the best engineers. If these two companies work together they can do wonders. Google has made some terrible product decisions.
    Sep 11 4
    • Lol fuk that google has engineering culture still. Amazon pms would ruin that in a minute
      Sep 11
    • Amazon oyVu40
      Yeah good point I guess, good PMs and good engineers can't co-exist, or we need to change what a good engineer really means ;-)
      Sep 11
    • Microsoft JamieBond
      Your assumption is they both will work together. I can imagine two head problem and instead of improving ....it will be a disaster
      Sep 11
    • Amazon is a plague on hacker culture sorry brah I’ll go where that culture is not
      Sep 11
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    • Amazon obSz85
      Yeah if you're a software engineer not for the product
      Sep 11
    • Facebook irqL16
      They also aren’t technical. Amazon hires straight from b-schools.
      Sep 11
  • Amazon / Eng SmkWdEvyDy
    How are these weighted:

    * Average talent quality
    * How hard it is to get hired
    * How much impact they have on the product
    * Compensation
    * Reputation
    Sep 11 2
    • Amazon []{}()
      OP
      Roughly in that order I think.

      I know huge companies like Amazon/Microsoft might fare badly on this because large numbers and the average MBA hire PM can’t even tie their shoes. But those companies also have lots of very impressive talent leading/launching the most successful products in the industry. If all I told you was “PM at Microsoft” you don’t think of the max value, but the average value.

      One other interesting artifact is that Google has a very high hiring bar and a hard interview, but they have a consistent record of comically bad product decisions as a company. Dumpster fire after dumpster fire. Not sure how people will evaluate that.
      Sep 11
    • Interestingly I have same observation as well. Google PMs are really smart. At least the ones I know. But Google does not have any reasonably good products driven by PMs.
      Sep 11
  • Google / Product gmaster
    Google ain’t the same no more. Hard to get hired != talented hires. Comp is pretty solid or can be certainly. Reputation based on bygone era. Most ‘impact’ involves coming up with narrative to take credit for massive technology and/or market advantage established long ago by people who have mostly left company by now.
    Sep 11 0
  • Google. Their interview process seems to pick good candidates and eliminate people that can even remotely trick the interview process. Density of smart PMs is also high there.

    But the irony is they are not producing great products. Forget great products, not even remotely successful products. All the successful google products are engineering driven? Would Google PMs have produced successful products if they were elsewhere? I think so.
    Sep 11 0
  • Amazon iSteveJobs
    Apple hands down. It’s driven by product managers. I mean Steve was a PM. Tim might not be PM, but still it’s driven by same values
    Sep 11 0
  • Databricks / Data
    data4u

    Databricks Data

    PRE
    500 Startups
    data4umore
    Databricks hands down
    Sep 11 0
  • New / Eng
    cartier

    New Eng

    PRE
    Salesforce
    cartiermore
    i dont see albertsons....
    Sep 11 0
  • Tesla VfTH01
    What's these obsession with prestige? An impactful role with good team dynamics is much more important.
    Sep 11 0
  • Twitter / Product Pdgr
    LinkedIn should be on the list
    Sep 11 0
  • Microsoft orki
    Again prestige question :) tired
    Sep 11 0
  • Microsoft JamieBond
    I am told LinkedIn and Salesforce also has great PM culture and quality.
    Sep 11 0
  • Facebook irqL16
    Where’s Walmart?
    Sep 11 0

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