πŸ”₯ πŸŒ‰ or not to πŸ”₯ πŸŒ‰?

IBM fkui
Jul 9 29 Comments

Scenario: your employer has treated you bad, is disrespectful, and you tried everything to grow within, from promotion to working on other teams, nobody even notices you. You haven't had a raise in about 5 years despite your continued efforts. You get an unfair performance plan and exit it in 30 days with success, but you feel defeated and burnt out. You think once you get a new job, you'll never come back to be treated like this again. Then you find a new job and think how you should leave. Question is: do you put in a notice or treat them exactly as they have treated you (leave without notice?)

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  • Red Hat Abe_Fr0man
    Don't treat people based on how they treat you - be confident enough to know how you want to treat people, and just do it. Despite the circumstances. Even when it's hard.
    I'd give the notice...
    Jul 9 7
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      If I'm asking for advice, it's because I haven't made the decision yet. Asking for advice also doesn't mean I will do what I read here, there's more to it than I can describe. Every one is entitled to their own opinion but if you are here just to flex on "the kind of person you are", assuming things you don't know and not being helpful, you can go ahead and just fuck off.
      Jul 9
    • Red Hat Abe_Fr0man
      I've been in some awful situations, too, believe me. They suck, and I'm sorry you're in one now. And you don't have to do what I would do. But you did ask for advice, so you got mine.

      It sounds like you should ask yourself what kind of person you want to be, though.
      Do you want to treat people based on how they treat you?
      Or do you want to treat people a certain way regardless of how they treat you?

      Answer that, then act. At least that way you'll have answered the most important question about this decision.

      The analogy about getting punched in the face was pretty lame. This work situation isn't about self defense. But I can tell it sucks and you need to get out of there. DM me if you're interested in hopping over to Red Hat - we don't have people managing like what you're experiencing (I know you just acquired us, but we're still doing our own hiring)
      Jul 9
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      Look I get it. From the outside, sounds like I'm a disgruntled employee looking for validation. It's really not that. When I was hired I thought this was the best thing that ever happened to me. Then 5 years later I'm still making the same amount of money, in the first 2 years I worked from 70 to 80 hours a week, was often called out on meetings as one of the top 5 performers and would only hear from my boss if I did something wrong in his eyes. I tried every internal resource available to me so I could grow and progress with the company, but 5 years later it's becoming obvious that based on the treatment I'm getting, there isn't anything left for me here. So the question was really how to mitigate my losses and walk away from this job with the most amount of money I deserve without giving them the opportunity to screw me again on the way out. That's why I asked for hr or legal expert, but I welcome other suggestions as long as it's not overly critic without context. I get the whole professionalism thing but I also believe you need to earn these things, they're not implied just because of social convention. I've always been kind to my coworkers but this isn't about who I am leaving behind honestly. It's about the past years of underpaid, unappreciated and indifference I got from management up, the recruiting team is a joke, and I am honestly burned out, no more motivation to go on, which sucks because I know I can do so much more. I don't live in a big city where I can easily switch jobs like my other peers that shared the same experience did, so it's difficult to find something else, but I'm trying. I really am! The punch in the face was an example, but in comparison to self defense, it really is defending me and my family against this oppression and wage compression I've been under for years...
      Jul 9
    • Red Hat Abe_Fr0man
      Dang. Thanks for being vulnerable man. I feel for you. The way you've been treated is just wrong on all levels, and it sucks to see someone that came in with such hopes and talent be marginalized to the point where you're completely checked out (and for good reason!).
      I apologize if my response seemed dismissive or if it in any way minimalized your circumstances.

      Red Hat has a lot of locations and a lot of remote positions. Seriously - hit me up if you're interested in joining.

      Hope your next move makes you feel valued.
      Jul 9
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      Thank you for saying that. I'd love to join any other team within IBM honestly!
      Jul 10
  • Amazon x31dH
    Less of an issue with leaving large companies, but when leaving SMBs or early/mid stage startups you are very likely at some point in your career in the same city to interview with folks that might have back channel information on your departure. As a manager, I have decided not to hire someone based on a back channel reference with several people I knew who worked with the canidate a couple years earlier and who quit with zero days notice, which impacted the project they were on as they did no knowledge transfer and destroyed their documentation rather than sharing it. Maybe in those intervening years that person matured and wouldn't do it again, but there was no way I was going to take that risk.
    Jul 9 4
    • So you believe everything you hear? I've seen people get their reputation unfairly marred by back channel ... lies. So much for independent thought.
      Jul 12
    • Amazon x31dH
      When I have worked with folks for multiple years crossing paths at different companies over decades, and all those people say the same thing about the canidate, I would be a negligent not to listen to them. Of course I'm going to listen to people who I have worked closely with and who I know deliver reliably and raise the bar, over hopeing that these folks who have earned my trust with their blood sweat and tears are simply lying to me to "unfairly mar" the canidate whom I am supposed to magically believe won't pull the same shit again.
      Jul 12
    • Office politics 101: when someone is targeted by a manager with maliciously intent, they tell everyone the employee is X (where X is a negative(s)). Then everyone repeats X, whether X is true or not, the perception is now broadcasted as the "truth". I've seen this so many times it's not even funny. Then low skilled hiring "managers" don't give the person a fair chance because they believe the high school rumor mills over developing objective hiring practices.
      Jul 12
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      @Boozhound nailed it!
      Jul 13
  • Google sweSharp
    Damn what're they up to over there at IBM
    Jul 9 2
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      Bruh! Get me out of here! Lol
      In all seriousness, I just think it's my department that is poorly managed, I still believe the company is a great place to work!
      Jul 9
    • eBay mDBW53
      They just acquired Red Hat.
      Jul 9
  • Give same day notice.
    Jul 9 0
  • Intel Spikiera
    Leave without notice and then what? You get some joy from vengeance? For them, they might not even care.

    If you remain professional, at least you are the bigger person and it would be a more mature act.

    At the end of the day, it's up to you, I understand that it would make you feel better by leaving without notice, and maybe that joy is what you're looking for. If that's the case then do it, it's not like you will ever come back to that company anyway.
    Jul 13 3
    • IBM vaGinni
      So you're saying it's ok for them to "not even care" but it's frowned upon if I don't? Double standards don't you think?
      Jul 13
    • Intel Spikiera
      I'm not saying it's ok for them to not care, I'm telling you they won't care even if you leave without notice
      Jul 13
    • IBM vaGinni
      Got it. To that extent, them not caring means whichever course I choose, the "noble notice" or the "shady ghosting" makes no difference for them... It sure does make a difference for me...
      Jul 13
  • Cerner cymon
    Professionalism isn't about them, it's about you.
    Jul 9 1
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      I get what you mean... I also think respect is a two way street. I'd never treat my employees like garbage, especially the ones I know are working hard for the success of the company. But, if I do it, I know I'll be the villain...
      Jul 9
  • Marvell elkdead
    same day notice and GTFO then never look back.
    Jul 9 0
  • just leave IBM is bad
    Jul 9 1
    • IBM fkui
      OP
      Speak from experience? What BU are you in? How many years?
      Jul 9
  • Give notice. You never know if someone will end up crossing your path later down the road in an employment situation. You don’t want the only difference you don’t get hired for a job is because β€œya Tony know him, he just ghosted out when he was at IBM, not sure we can count on him”
    Jul 10 0
  • Facebook Qvht82
    Don’t fire bridges but put 🧨🧨🧨 under them
    Jul 21 0
  • Amazon guru-bhai
    1ΒΉ
    Jul 9 0