$170k in US or $120k in India

Amazon Finti
Jul 11 114 Comments

Hi,

Currently working with Amazon with TC $170k.

Got approached by a company in India and got a $120k offer. (82 lakh INR). The company is a reputed company but doesn’t have global presence as of now.

Confused only because I have gotten used to the lifestyle here and not sure if I want to deal with basics issues like traffic, pollution in India

Any thoughts on what should I do?

Thanks

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  • I like having running water whenever I turn the tap.
    Jul 11 12
    • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
      Chennai is also not all of India
      Jul 13
    • Absolutely. But the environmental problems aren’t restricted by city name. The planet doesn’t care about political borders.

      Chennai is a couple hundred miles south of Hyderabad , it is even with Bangalore, from Kolkata it looks about the vertical distance of Seattle to LA

      So yes obviously different cities will have different water crisis, but many cities are in a close enough region that this could become a widespread disaster
      Jul 13
    • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
      I am not arguing about potential problems in India. Either environmental or infrastructural. There are problems but running away from it, cribbing about it and then waiting for someone to fix it is not the ideal solution.

      I'm just saying the tone of your statement was condescending and it didn't need to be.
      Jul 13
    • I had to add the disclaimer exactly for people like you, who don’t stay abreast with current news and default to thinking everyone else is bad.

      Have a nice day.
      Jul 13
    • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
      You wouldn't have to add the disclaimer if you can frame sentences without being condescending.

      Thanks. You have a good one too!
      Jul 13
  • Cadence
    badshah2

    Cadence

    BIO
    Amazon
    badshah2more
    Looking at your TC, I assume you are <1 yr experience at Amazon? Curious which company in India is able to give 82 lakhs INR for this less experience.
    Jul 11 16
    • Samsung statarb
      I have been to Bangalore and the air quality is horrible. I would take a 60K job in the United States over a 120K job in India.
      Jul 11
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      I am white but lived in Bangalore for awhile. I remember there was a lake there that smelled and one of my Indian co-worker said it caught on fire before. I thought he was joking but it caught fire again while I was there! Unbelievable!

      Stinky lake of fire in Bangalore.
      Jul 12
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      @Google, do you think OP plans to swim in that lake everyday? If not, why bother?
      Jul 12
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      I never said anything about swimming. You can smell the lake’s stink from a mile away.
      Jul 13
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      I know that lake all too well. It's Bellandur lake.
      Jul 13
  • Tibco software / Eng !mlikoj!
    With 82L pa, water is the least of your worries. All the problems mentioned here are struggles of the middle-upper class. With 82L, you don't fall into that category. Depending on the city, you should be able to move into a very good community with running water, central ac, club house and all the other goodies.

    Traffic/pollution might be your only concern. But if you're from India and you've been regularly visiting India, you should be able to get accustomed pretty easily.

    Keep in mind that if you turn down the offer now, you might find it much more difficult to move after your kid grows up. You might want to look into the age requirements for kids starting elementary school in India. He could possibly be a year behind.

    Other than that, its your lifestyle and ability to compromise on a few things to live a luxurious life in India. Personally, I would take the offer. But what do I know, I work at Tibco 🤷‍♂️
    Jul 12 1
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      Couldn't agree more with Tibco. 82L in India will get you a lifestyle that you can't imagine in the US. Also as long as you are in your car, pollution wouldn't bother you. If you are in Bangalore and plan to stay near Malleshwaram/IISc/indiranagar areas, for example, these are one of the most green and peaceful areas with much lesser pollution. The only reason I can think of, in favor of staying back in US is if your PD for GC is close to 2010-2011
      Jul 13
  • LinkedIn GBWS68
    For a data point, I moved from ~$110k (Bangalore salary) to ~$250k (bay area salary) in 2018. Now, I would not want to go back, the daily struggles in Bangalore start with things as basic as water, electricity, traffic, impatient/inconsiderate people.

    Things I miss from Bangalore:-
    * A cook who comes home and cooks food for me.
    * Maid who cleans house every day
    * Never go grocery shopping, it's all online and delivery is insanely cheap.
    * Having a 12-hour help for basically every household work is also cheap, just $200 a month.
    * A general feeling of earning enough money to do whatever I want. (because of how cheap the living expenses are in India).

    Things I like in bay area:-
    * No issues with basic necessities, water, electricity, traffic (not as bad), people are generally nice and friendly.
    * Better quality of life in general, people are considerate. Trust me, it really matters to avoid day to day frustration. It's more important than you think.

    Things I don't like in bay area:-
    * $250k is not a lot of money, just average salary. I feel poorer when compared to my status in Bangalore.
    * It's not easy to buy a lot of things I miss from Bangalore as I simply can't afford them. Maybe, when my TC is $600k USD then I'll stop missing everything from Bangalore.

    My personal opinion, I'll stay in the bay area and it's okay to miss the things I enjoyed in Bangalore.

    Work Experience: ~5yrs
    Jul 13 2
    • SAP woos
      What problem did you face with water and electricity in Bangalore?
      Jul 13
    • LinkedIn GBWS68
      Water tanker mafia, they start increasing prices. Apartment complex management takes time to negotiate and that causes short water crisis. For electricity, we have power backups but then you can't run AC on central apartment generators
      Jul 13
  • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
    Depends on what you want. If you expect immigration issues, like living with family etc go for India. If you like better lifestyle US. Btw 120k in India is very high. 170k In US is average.
    Jul 11 5
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      Yup. I know that 120k is super high and hence the dilemma.
      Jul 11
    • Cadence
      badshah2

      Cadence

      BIO
      Amazon
      badshah2more
      Whats the growth potential or stability for the startup? It should not go bust within few years of you moving to India
      Jul 11
    • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
      It’s your decision at the end on what matters most for you. Btw whatever you choose you will always think about the other what if so don’t overthink and choose one 😊
      Jul 11
    • Salesforce curious01
      If u switch jobs is US, perhaps u can find a better paying job
      Jul 12
    • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
      Ya but with 82 lacs/ year he can buy a house in India every year vs here it will take him at least 15 to pay off mortgage
      Jul 12
  • Microsoft cWww76
    I would prefer 170k here with potential for growth and high mobility and lower risk (when you get GC) than 120k in a country where 120k is a lot (because it has less potential to growth, you will have less mobility and higher risk that you will not find a company with similar salary, if you get bored by a project or get managed out).
    Jul 11 2
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      Wrong analysis. Mobility is much more restricted in the US than India. Every change in the US needs a visa transfer which can get denied. No such problems in India. Being Indian OP is not going to get his GC anytime soon. Plus VC funds are pouring in India from all over the world, so that startup scene is very hot, not to mention that most major tech MNCs too have a presence.
      Jul 13
    • Microsoft cWww76
      You missed the part about GC. Yes, without GC it isn’t easy to change a company and in some cases it is impossible, but absence of GC is a temporary problem (op mentioned that it will take 3-4 years).
      Jul 13
  • eBay eCWr43
    Depends on what location in India you are getting offered for . If you are closer to friends & family then it might be worth it .
    You might have to deal with basic issues but you may also get sometime back in your day from daily chores of laundry, dishwashing , house cleaning etc .
    Jul 11 1
    • Workday / Product xoyp
      In addition, you can also hire full time drivers and cooks.
      Jul 11
  • Cisco suggggggga
    Since many have suggested India or to weigh the options and none has answered US and most of the answers "seems" to be from Indians, can I assume that Indians are in the US just for money?
    Jul 11 13
    • SAP woos
      And, yet, you are here. Don't understand the peeve though. What I mentioned isn't exactly new.
      Jul 11
    • Medallia Maximus8
      It really depends. For lots of intellectual individuals it’s all about knowing your worth. If you got the goods why not sell it at high.

      For some it’s just good change to try out. They already have enough to splurge. Traveling places, experiencing culture for short term works for them.

      For many it’s passion about tech. Opportunity window used to move 4-5 years slower than valley. Working on current has its own highs and lows. Some prefer that over grinding lame ass work.

      But these days it’s all changing.
      Jul 11
    • Apple
      rich boi

      Apple

      PRE
      NVIDIA, Google
      rich boimore
      yes, we come here for money. are you sulking because you make none at cisco 😂
      Jul 12
    • Cisco suggggggga
      @rich boi nah, beyond shit called money unlike you from your name
      Jul 12
    • Yes. Most of us (Indians) would not admit it openly but the US culture sucks life out of you. Too bland and depressing. Entire careers and investments are planned based on how much time would someone want to stay in US and how he'll use that money once he returns.
      The once who stay for the "I love US" are the new millennials who were already living an american lifestyle here in India.
      Jul 13
  • New / Eng Betal
    This decision is not about money since you'd be paid more in India, effectively. It's a question of how you value India's social comfort Vs American physical comfort. If India keeps getting better, in 10 years, you might rue not making the jump now. If it doesn't, you'll be glad you didn't. Got a crystal ball?
    Jul 11 13
    • New / Eng Betal
      Physical comfort in US= Clean water, good health care, clean air, safety in the neighborhood (at least where I live), evolved laws, etc.

      Social comfort in India = familiarity with people, culture, food, religion, etc.
      Jul 12
    • SAP woos
      When you've spent the better part of your life in one country, are no longer fresh out of college, and have relocated to a country & culture which is as different as possible from your own, it can be forgiven, I think, when your friendships don't happen as quickly. Developing a friendship is also something that takes time, & needs nurturing, and becomes harder as you get beyond your 20s. Sure, you can have umpteen activity partners, but they aren't friends, not necessarily, anyway.

      As regards not being able to see your friends here in the US, well, that's precisely the point I was making - there's not much use in having friends, is there, if you can see them only once a year? Even being here, I meet my friends back in India once a year. But when in India, this was not the case.
      Jul 12
    • What? “Not much use...” that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while.

      I have friends in my zip code that I could see daily, I have friends that are only in the same state that I could really only see weekly or monthly, I have friends that are only in the same time zone that I couldn’t afford to see every month, and I have friends that are on the other side of the country that I can only see once or twice a year.

      To imply that it isn’t “much use” in having those friends is absolutely ridiculous. At best it shows that you are still in college and don’t understand long term friendships at worse it shows that you are an adult who is completely incapable of understanding how to be in a relationship.
      Jul 13
    • SAP woos
      Are you always this rude & assumptive about strangers?

      By "not much use", I meant if you ONLY have friends who live far off, who you can't meet more than once a year (as per your original comment), that wouldn't fulfil my need for friendship in general. Think how it might be if the ONLY friends you had were those you couldn't meet with often, only after many months/ once per year. I was also comparing such rare-meetings with relatively new-in-my-life friends, with long-term, really close friends back home, whom you could also essentially meet with the same frequency, ie. yearly. In THAT sense, I opined there is not much use in having such friends - it was a RELATIVE assessment, not an ABSOLUTE one.

      OTOH, I am not sure if I should consider your 0 comment about the first part of my comment, telling. Well..

      P.S. - Don't bother replying if it's rude, I won't be responding.
      Jul 13
    • If you can’t make friends that is a totally different problem. There are many suggestions/solutions to that.

      One suggestion would be to not tell someone you just met that they “won’t be much use” if they move away, 🤣
      Jul 13
  • New / Strategy
    Porsche996

    New Strategy

    BIO
    MIT BS MechE, Stanford GSB
    Porsche996more
    Wonder no one said this. How viable is the startup you're going for. If there is another 2009 would the startup go through and you would still have the job? Alternatively if you have other pursuits in addition to this, I would consider the opportunity. Just don't rely only on startup. You may never know when the cards would go against.
    Jul 11 2
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      It is a unicorn start up so I am not very worried about it going bust. But yes, this kind of money is difficult to get in India if such a situation arises.
      Jul 11
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Unicorn startups can also fade quickly: Groupon, Evernote, GoPro, Gilt, Fab
      Jul 12
  • Cisco suggggggga
    India. Your home is calling you bud!
    Jul 11 0
  • Medallia Maximus8
    If I were you I would take India offer. It’s a lot for Indian market. I could buy a good house and pay it in full in 4-5 years. Better family environment. Lots of pluses on that front.

    Things I would check:
    - what my partner thinks, wants, needs
    - what would be the plan for kid. He would want to come back? How soon or late? What difficulties he might face? What things we could do to mitigate that?
    - can I come back on h1 if things don’t workout with startup?
    - i140 approved? H1 possible again? Reentry basically
    - career trajectory here vs India in next 5 years. Which one looks more promising in terms of growth career wise and financially
    - wifey working ? What about her job? Etc
    Jul 11 4
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      Great answer. My wife isn’t working here so that is a positive. Also, I am on L1A so don’t have the H1 reentry card. Green card also 3-4 years way.
      Jul 11
    • Medallia Maximus8
      Then you have lot of wiggle room to try it out easy
      Jul 11
    • Oracle rtyert
      Not all L1As get into eb1. So double check if you are really 3-4 years away
      Jul 12
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      My GC has already been filed.. so I know it is 3-4 years away..
      Jul 12
  • New / Eng
    happi

    New Eng

    PRE
    Visa
    BIO
    Fresher
    happimore
    India, go for it.
    Jul 17 1
    • New / Eng
      happi

      New Eng

      PRE
      Visa
      BIO
      Fresher
      happimore
      I think, Education will be better here, with right choices.
      Jul 17
  • Amazon ofbsyckeba
    How much tax would you have to pay for 120k in India?
    Jul 11 1
    • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
      30%
      Jul 11
  • Nintendo GoingSpace
    You should consider 35 % income tax rate in India. My friend in India, getting one crore rupees per annum cribs that he has to pay lot of tax and still don't get good roads/infrastructure/water
    Jul 11 1
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      It is not 35%. Surcharge is applied on tax and not income.
      Jul 11
  • Oracle marriedM
    Many people I know have come back from India after going back from the US. If you don't like that job, would you get similar pay while changing jobs? Biggest factor that people ignore is the next job's work culture. It gets harder to switch jobs in the US as well after a certain number of yoe. Consider this factor more important than others. Cost of living and extended family in India, if you have any, definitely make the India option attractive. DM me to discuss.
    Jul 12 0
  • Microsoft pleiuys
    as many people have mentioned consider the problems people face in daily life back home like house cleaning (domestic help), traffic and more importantly TAXes
    Jul 11 3
    • SAP woos
      Uh, house cleaning & taxes are less taxing in the US?
      Jul 11
    • Microsoft pleiuys
      well in my case WA doesn’t have state tax and cleaning is comparatively easy in US. As per my experience in India I couldn’t do it myself because of more dirt coming in the house and had to be dependent on domestic help.
      Jul 11
    • SAP woos
      Cleaning is comparatively easy in the US, but with that salary, you wouldn't be cleaning your house yourself, in India. You could retain full-time help to help with that. As for taxes, that's very state specific, and well, don't know if one w/should take immigration decisions based on that
      Jul 11
  • Amazon jQpf16
    I would not move to India currently given the political and economical status in the country. You will not know if your savings and investments are safe. Some major shit is going to go down with further NPAs and the loss of political control nationwide.
    Oct 11 1
  • New DILm33
    IMO living in US you will be able to get citizenship some day which opens many new opportunities. Indian citizenship/passport has many problems that you will be able to overcome if you continue to live here.
    Jul 13 1
    • SAP woos
      Opportunities & problems like what?
      Jul 13
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Gehjiddrt6

    Microsoft Eng

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    Amazon
    Gehjiddrt6more
    Exactly which company is giving 82lakhs. Curios too
    Jul 11 1
    • Amazon Finti
      OP
      Well funded Indian start up. Cannot disclose the name as I have not made a decision till now.
      Jul 11

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