Currently working with Amazon with TC $170k.
Got approached by a company in India and got a $120k offer. (82 lakh INR). The company is a reputed company but doesn’t have global presence as of now.
Confused only because I have gotten used to the lifestyle here and not sure if I want to deal with basics issues like traffic, pollution in India
Any thoughts on what should I do?
- Absolutely. But the environmental problems aren’t restricted by city name. The planet doesn’t care about political borders.
Chennai is a couple hundred miles south of Hyderabad , it is even with Bangalore, from Kolkata it looks about the vertical distance of Seattle to LA
So yes obviously different cities will have different water crisis, but many cities are in a close enough region that this could become a widespread disaster
- I am not arguing about potential problems in India. Either environmental or infrastructural. There are problems but running away from it, cribbing about it and then waiting for someone to fix it is not the ideal solution.
I'm just saying the tone of your statement was condescending and it didn't need to be.
- Looking at your TC, I assume you are <1 yr experience at Amazon? Curious which company in India is able to give 82 lakhs INR for this less experience.
- I am white but lived in Bangalore for awhile. I remember there was a lake there that smelled and one of my Indian co-worker said it caught on fire before. I thought he was joking but it caught fire again while I was there! Unbelievable!
Stinky lake of fire in Bangalore.Jul 12 8
- With 82L pa, water is the least of your worries. All the problems mentioned here are struggles of the middle-upper class. With 82L, you don't fall into that category. Depending on the city, you should be able to move into a very good community with running water, central ac, club house and all the other goodies.
Traffic/pollution might be your only concern. But if you're from India and you've been regularly visiting India, you should be able to get accustomed pretty easily.
Keep in mind that if you turn down the offer now, you might find it much more difficult to move after your kid grows up. You might want to look into the age requirements for kids starting elementary school in India. He could possibly be a year behind.
Other than that, its your lifestyle and ability to compromise on a few things to live a luxurious life in India. Personally, I would take the offer. But what do I know, I work at Tibco 🤷♂️
- Couldn't agree more with Tibco. 82L in India will get you a lifestyle that you can't imagine in the US. Also as long as you are in your car, pollution wouldn't bother you. If you are in Bangalore and plan to stay near Malleshwaram/IISc/indiranagar areas, for example, these are one of the most green and peaceful areas with much lesser pollution. The only reason I can think of, in favor of staying back in US is if your PD for GC is close to 2010-2011
- For a data point, I moved from ~$110k (Bangalore salary) to ~$250k (bay area salary) in 2018. Now, I would not want to go back, the daily struggles in Bangalore start with things as basic as water, electricity, traffic, impatient/inconsiderate people.
Things I miss from Bangalore:-
* A cook who comes home and cooks food for me.
* Maid who cleans house every day
* Never go grocery shopping, it's all online and delivery is insanely cheap.
* Having a 12-hour help for basically every household work is also cheap, just $200 a month.
* A general feeling of earning enough money to do whatever I want. (because of how cheap the living expenses are in India).
Things I like in bay area:-
* No issues with basic necessities, water, electricity, traffic (not as bad), people are generally nice and friendly.
* Better quality of life in general, people are considerate. Trust me, it really matters to avoid day to day frustration. It's more important than you think.
Things I don't like in bay area:-
* $250k is not a lot of money, just average salary. I feel poorer when compared to my status in Bangalore.
* It's not easy to buy a lot of things I miss from Bangalore as I simply can't afford them. Maybe, when my TC is $600k USD then I'll stop missing everything from Bangalore.
My personal opinion, I'll stay in the bay area and it's okay to miss the things I enjoyed in Bangalore.
Work Experience: ~5yrs
- Depends on what you want. If you expect immigration issues, like living with family etc go for India. If you like better lifestyle US. Btw 120k in India is very high. 170k In US is average.
- I would prefer 170k here with potential for growth and high mobility and lower risk (when you get GC) than 120k in a country where 120k is a lot (because it has less potential to growth, you will have less mobility and higher risk that you will not find a company with similar salary, if you get bored by a project or get managed out).
- Wrong analysis. Mobility is much more restricted in the US than India. Every change in the US needs a visa transfer which can get denied. No such problems in India. Being Indian OP is not going to get his GC anytime soon. Plus VC funds are pouring in India from all over the world, so that startup scene is very hot, not to mention that most major tech MNCs too have a presence.
- eBay eCWr43Depends on what location in India you are getting offered for . If you are closer to friends & family then it might be worth it .
You might have to deal with basic issues but you may also get sometime back in your day from daily chores of laundry, dishwashing , house cleaning etc .
- Since many have suggested India or to weigh the options and none has answered US and most of the answers "seems" to be from Indians, can I assume that Indians are in the US just for money?
- It really depends. For lots of intellectual individuals it’s all about knowing your worth. If you got the goods why not sell it at high.
For some it’s just good change to try out. They already have enough to splurge. Traveling places, experiencing culture for short term works for them.
For many it’s passion about tech. Opportunity window used to move 4-5 years slower than valley. Working on current has its own highs and lows. Some prefer that over grinding lame ass work.
But these days it’s all changing.
- New braincrashYes. Most of us (Indians) would not admit it openly but the US culture sucks life out of you. Too bland and depressing. Entire careers and investments are planned based on how much time would someone want to stay in US and how he'll use that money once he returns.
The once who stay for the "I love US" are the new millennials who were already living an american lifestyle here in India.
- This decision is not about money since you'd be paid more in India, effectively. It's a question of how you value India's social comfort Vs American physical comfort. If India keeps getting better, in 10 years, you might rue not making the jump now. If it doesn't, you'll be glad you didn't. Got a crystal ball?
- When you've spent the better part of your life in one country, are no longer fresh out of college, and have relocated to a country & culture which is as different as possible from your own, it can be forgiven, I think, when your friendships don't happen as quickly. Developing a friendship is also something that takes time, & needs nurturing, and becomes harder as you get beyond your 20s. Sure, you can have umpteen activity partners, but they aren't friends, not necessarily, anyway.
As regards not being able to see your friends here in the US, well, that's precisely the point I was making - there's not much use in having friends, is there, if you can see them only once a year? Even being here, I meet my friends back in India once a year. But when in India, this was not the case.
- What? “Not much use...” that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while.
I have friends in my zip code that I could see daily, I have friends that are only in the same state that I could really only see weekly or monthly, I have friends that are only in the same time zone that I couldn’t afford to see every month, and I have friends that are on the other side of the country that I can only see once or twice a year.
To imply that it isn’t “much use” in having those friends is absolutely ridiculous. At best it shows that you are still in college and don’t understand long term friendships at worse it shows that you are an adult who is completely incapable of understanding how to be in a relationship.
- Are you always this rude & assumptive about strangers?
By "not much use", I meant if you ONLY have friends who live far off, who you can't meet more than once a year (as per your original comment), that wouldn't fulfil my need for friendship in general. Think how it might be if the ONLY friends you had were those you couldn't meet with often, only after many months/ once per year. I was also comparing such rare-meetings with relatively new-in-my-life friends, with long-term, really close friends back home, whom you could also essentially meet with the same frequency, ie. yearly. In THAT sense, I opined there is not much use in having such friends - it was a RELATIVE assessment, not an ABSOLUTE one.
OTOH, I am not sure if I should consider your 0 comment about the first part of my comment, telling. Well..
P.S. - Don't bother replying if it's rude, I won't be responding.
- New / Strategy Porsche996moreWonder no one said this. How viable is the startup you're going for. If there is another 2009 would the startup go through and you would still have the job? Alternatively if you have other pursuits in addition to this, I would consider the opportunity. Just don't rely only on startup. You may never know when the cards would go against.
- If I were you I would take India offer. It’s a lot for Indian market. I could buy a good house and pay it in full in 4-5 years. Better family environment. Lots of pluses on that front.
Things I would check:
- what my partner thinks, wants, needs
- what would be the plan for kid. He would want to come back? How soon or late? What difficulties he might face? What things we could do to mitigate that?
- can I come back on h1 if things don’t workout with startup?
- i140 approved? H1 possible again? Reentry basically
- career trajectory here vs India in next 5 years. Which one looks more promising in terms of growth career wise and financially
- wifey working ? What about her job? Etc
- Nintendo GoingSpaceYou should consider 35 % income tax rate in India. My friend in India, getting one crore rupees per annum cribs that he has to pay lot of tax and still don't get good roads/infrastructure/water
- Oracle marriedMMany people I know have come back from India after going back from the US. If you don't like that job, would you get similar pay while changing jobs? Biggest factor that people ignore is the next job's work culture. It gets harder to switch jobs in the US as well after a certain number of yoe. Consider this factor more important than others. Cost of living and extended family in India, if you have any, definitely make the India option attractive. DM me to discuss.
- as many people have mentioned consider the problems people face in daily life back home like house cleaning (domestic help), traffic and more importantly TAXes
- Cleaning is comparatively easy in the US, but with that salary, you wouldn't be cleaning your house yourself, in India. You could retain full-time help to help with that. As for taxes, that's very state specific, and well, don't know if one w/should take immigration decisions based on that
- Amazon jQpf16I would not move to India currently given the political and economical status in the country. You will not know if your savings and investments are safe. Some major shit is going to go down with further NPAs and the loss of political control nationwide.
- New DILm33IMO living in US you will be able to get citizenship some day which opens many new opportunities. Indian citizenship/passport has many problems that you will be able to overcome if you continue to live here.