60 year old trying to get back into tech?

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Jun 16 41 Comments

A 60 y/o friend of mine was laid off from Rogers Telecom ~5 years ago with TC 60K and 15 YOE and hasn’t been able to get back into the tech industry since. For the past 3 years he’s worked in hourly retail $14/h at The Home Depot, which was the only place that ended up hiring him. He codes as much as he can in his spare time.

He’s skilled in Python and C#. He works with Machine Learning & NLP for his own projects. He has a Master’s in Industrial Computer Science & Automation. He’s bilingual Eng/Fr. He’s in Vancouver Canada.

He tends to get interviews, but never offers. His health is normal and his interview skills seem on par. I’ve known him for a while, and he’s a great guy to work with. Nobody can figure out why he’s gotten no offers, besides the obvious ageism. He recently applied to an IT position at HD but apparently they ghosted.

How can he get back into the tech industry? Or is he screwed? Would he need a referral to get into any company at all at that age?

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  • New rpmzaEf
    Is this sad to see in a in tech industry. No one wants you once you pass 50. You all think you are young and don't have to worry about this. It will come quicker than we anticipated.

    My suggestion is to look for embedded jobs. This industry still hires older people.
    Jun 16 3
    • New / Sales
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      Very true. What are embedded jobs?
      Jun 16
    • Pure Storage / R&D HFIT71
      Low level sw that controls hw e.g
      Device drivers. These jobs pay bad and none wants them. However, I doubt even they will hire a 60 yr old. It is scary, we will all get old one day, this could be our future as well.
      Jun 16
    • New rpmzaEf
      Mostly coding in C. Look for companies such as Honeywell, Rockwell, Raython ... There are some interesting jobs but the pay is bad.
      Jun 16
  • Facebook dXQm00
    Shit, how can we avoid this problem in the future?
    Jun 16 6
    • Nielsen nqED75
      Keep your job. If you lose your job get another - whatever you can get - immediately. Home Depot doesn't count.
      Jun 16
    • Microsoft BaudNull
      And regularly interview for jobs, even if you don’t want a new job. Keeps you skilled at it, you learn new things about how other companies do things and you know where you “stand” in the market.

      But the ageism is real. And it’s not because older folks have a higher TC. The younger folks get paid the same at level and usually get very large stock and cash signing bonuses.
      Jun 16
    • Microsoft kebabs
      Don’t get old
      Jun 16
    • Google nommatter
      Become a manager
      Jun 16
    • Apple SamPam
      Eat Kale
      Jun 17
  • American Express vista133
    Ageism is a reality
    Jun 16 1
    • Google / Eng dontneed
      On the internet no one knows if you are a dog or just old. You can get a well paying job IF you are a good engineer. Google has bunch of 60+SWEs kicking ass.
      Jun 16
  • American Express vista133
    Home depot has program called the orange method for sw developers. He can ask his HR. Good luck!
    Jun 16 1
    • The Home Depot toothmoney
      Ditto Orange Method. Best of Luck!
      Jun 23
  • Facebook / Eng idnr
    Need to retire my mid 40s. This industry is ruthless to 40+ people.
    Jun 16 0
  • Facebook gluteus
    How is this possible, wtf? This is sad..

    Happy to refer him to FB...PM me...
    Jun 16 1
    • New / Sales
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      Thank you. I’ll ask him for his resume and I’ll get it to you ASAP.
      Jun 16
  • Amazon / Eng ortfx
    What level does he interview for? The sad reality is that age isn't a factor for senior levels, but nobody wants an old geezer working at the same level as fresh grads who have more energy and, likely, ambition.
    Jun 16 0
  • Quantcast / Eng funpun
    How many interviews has he gone to? I think he will almost certainly find a job, provided he keeps up the efforts. There are many random factors in the job hunting process. I once could not get an offer after interviewing with 6 companies. But at another time, I got the best offer in one try.

    Also what companies did your friend try? Maybe talk to some startups if he hasn’t.
    Jun 16 0
  • Fannie Mae UVDo25
    There are some returnship programs out there. Like internship but for people who are returning to work.
    Jun 16 0
  • Salesforce GH6538
    Apply to salesforce. We have a Vancouver office and lots of older people.
    Jun 16 1
    • New / Sales
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      Thanks! I’ll tell him to apply to Salesforce Vancouver ASAP. Let me know if there’s anything he can do to increase his chances of getting a job there!
      Jun 16
  • Google helllooooo
    but really how many times has he applied? for example, I put out 50 applications for internships before I got 3 offers. it’s easy to feel hopeless but then you gotta look at the numbers: has he only applied to 15 places? is he open to moving? I just find it hard to believe that he can’t find anything.
    Jun 16 1
    • New / Sales
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      OP
      Good point. I’m not sure if he applied enough to make the numbers work. Also don’t know if he’s open to moving, I’ll ask him!
      Jun 16
  • Oracle oopsies
    Send me his resume. Happy to help
    Jun 16 2
    • New / Sales
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      Thank you. I’ll ask him for his resume and I’ll send it to you ASAP!
      Jun 16
    • New / Sales
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      Sent it over!
      Jun 16
  • Nielsen nqED75
    Looking at the data -
    - Entered industry at 40, presumably with previous experience
    - Worked for 15 years but only got to 60k salary
    - Got laid off and unable to find a job

    I don't want to be too negative but maybe he's just not that great. If you're hiring someone who is only kind of okay you'd always prefer the person who has more capacity for growth, right?
    Jun 16 2
    • American Express vista133
      Not enough data points and too many assumptions to derive this conclusion. Maybe you are not that great?
      Jun 16
    • Nielsen nqED75
      Ok, putting it more bluntly - when you're hiring kids from college at roughly $100k, who the fuck is only earning $60k? Can you actually even competent?

      Would he get another job if he were 25, or 30? Or did he just get one lucky job to support the y2k bug and then hang out in the worst performance review column for the next 15 years?

      edit: had 15 YOE. Earnt $60k. In Vancouver.
      Jun 16
  • Polycom uyhL54
    Message me his profile
    Jun 16 2
    • New / Sales
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      Will do! I’ll ask him for his resume and I’ll get it to you ASAP.
      Jun 16
    • New / Sales
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      Sent it over!
      Jun 16
  • Motorola / Eng ffTx04
    He has 15 yoe, it means he is rightfully very expensive. When you have to may a lot of money, you want to get the best thing out there and being honest, he was working in retail for too long and didn't work in a team.

    The second cause is age, but not because everybody hates old people or they think old people can't code. The issue is, majority of teams are relatively young. When you introduce an old person to a team, difference between them is substantial and you as a hiring person end up with a splitted team.
    Jun 17 1
    • Nielsen nqED75
      Exactly! Teams need less old people, women, immigrants, or disabled people. They will only get along if they are all young men.
      Jun 17
  • SAP RrWs73
    Appearance matters. Have him dye his hair or shave his head. Get in shape. Don’t have to look young but you must look fit
    Jun 16 0
  • Salesforce lololl
    Tell him to get out of canada
    Jun 16 0
  • Medtronic VXHb84
    Try medical device company. All old people there
    Jun 16 0
  • The Home Depot FPQk51
    HD is famous for ghosting. I got so tired of getting ghosted, that I finally quit. If you are a manager at Home Depot, stop ghosting. Grow the fuck up, grow a spine and let the candidate know you found someone else. Ghosting internal candidates is immature.
    Jul 14 0
  • Amazon
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    Amazon

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    Why not apply for Managerial roles ?
    Jun 16 0

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