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$67B for a fuckin train, $5B for a border wall

Microsoft ivanka
Jan 7

Why are people still ignoring the elephant in the room that is the $67+ billion (ST2 + ST3) spent on a shitty train and some buses in Seattle? It makes the trump wall look cheap. The train is costing 10x the national average per mile and taxes are up the ass. We essentially got robbed and nobody seems to care...wtf?

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  • Microsoft tingtang
    Because at least the train will help people. Yes we overpaid for it but it does have benefits.
    Jan 711
    • Microsoft tingtang
      Oh I’m not saying the train was well negotiated. I’m saying I would rather pay for something that is positive rather than pay for something useless.
      Jan 7
    • PayPal rememik
      Do you think the wall won’t bring benefit to the US people? Come on! It might help even more than the local train
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft tingtang
      The wall will bring tourist benefits maybe? Trump supporters might go to ogle it.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft Dr. Fill
      Crime rate would decrease, that's for sure.
      Jan 7
    • Bank of The West / Consultant
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      Yeah really. A lot of those gun violence was done by us citizens so building a wall gonna decrease crime rate. Sure ... what else ?
      Jan 7
    • Capital One EXwk33
      Rememik you do realize over 80% of illegal immegrants come in to the country legally (e.g., flights) and just over stay their welcome. In which case a wall will do nothing for them.

      Also there is absolutely no way that we can build a wall across the country for $5B. Based on the terrain and the fact we will need to compensate the land owners, my guess is it will cost at minimum 10x trumps estimate
      Jan 7
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      Dr. Fill, on what grounds are you guaranteeing a reduction in crime rate?
      Jan 7
    • Amazon randname19
      Historically speaking, increasing border security has led to an increase in illegal immigrants
      Jan 7
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      Historically, banning anything has lead to an increase in illegality. That's one reason prohibition of "vices" doesn't work well. Taxation to integrate externalized costs is the general best policy practice.

      I still haven't figured out how relocating to a new country for better opportunities is immoral or unethical, unless I were a confirmed xenophobe.

      Remember that illegality and moral-ethical systems are distinct.

      Ethics is a formal study of justice in right and wrong, value, virtue, conscience, and ideal social systems.

      Laws exist to preserve power for the powerful.

      Legal study involves the formal study of primarily existing and codified power structures.

      If I were designing a system, if an immigrant was a net cost, I'd directly charge them a fee rather than prejudge them based on which border crossing method they choose (overstay vs imaginary line crossing).

      Ideally we would have a society that works to support our neighbors so nobody feels the need to displace themselves and we could drop such fees. Borders will eventually become archaic symbols of history or mere census-electoral divisions that move with automated redistricting algorithms.
      Jan 7
    • Lyft swetool
      That’s like, your opinion man
      Jan 7
  • Microsoft Big Pun
    U mad bro?

    The wall is ridiculously expensive for its lack of value to society if you compare to a light rail which will create value.
    Jan 74
    • Microsoft ivanka
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      Wanna buy a pencil for $35? Has value...
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft Big Pun
      A $35 pencil has a better value than a $5bn wall.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      Tell me more about this $35 pencil because it sounds like you are making shit up to paint government accounting of the total costs of acquisition in a negative light.
      Jan 7
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      Have you never used a $35 pencil?

      They exist for a reason. You're missing out.
      Jan 7
  • New FGTRTD
    I thought big boss man was going to make the brown people pay for the wall. What a master negotiator!
    Jan 70
  • Google hodl-gang
    I thought Mexico was paying for the wall...
    Jan 71
    • Bank of The West / Consultant
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      Yeah they will with the trade deal which is almost same as what is used to be and which isn’t even signed into a real deal yet but yeah “we will earn billions of dollars”
      Dumb Americans believe in that shit!
      Jan 7
  • Lockheed Martin / Eng
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    Trump supporters: “trump has kept all his promises”. Trump: *shuts down American govt to pay for wall (after promising Mexicans will pay for it)*
    Jan 72
    • Microsoft ivanka
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      Dude I don't give a shit about Mexicans paying for the wall, it's nothing compared to the fucking train tax we are paying per capita
      Jan 8
    • Lockheed Martin / Eng
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      Not about the cost, about trump breaking his “promises” but his followers not caring. Cognitive dissonance.
      Jan 8
  • Apple JobsAtApp
    It’s a myth that wall will finish in $5B. It’s just a start. Final cost of building a wall which actually does something will 100s of billions.
    Jan 72
    • Microsoft 4655434b
      It’s not even a myth, they said 5b is just to start. The wall would cost $70b+
      Jan 7
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      It's still a myth if it's a false belief held by many to be true.
      Jan 7
  • Microsoft TrumpWins
    Sound Transit is hugely corrupt and has been ripping off taxpayers for years. I’m convinced they intentionally go over budget for profit
    Jan 70
  • Amazon jetsteam
    The train will be useless when it gets build, with all the innovation happening. Paid $400+ through the tabs last year to support this over budgeted train that I will never really use
    Jan 73
    • New b37
      But you _could_ use the train if you wanted. Contrast that with all the automobile infrastructure that the visually impaired and other people who are forbidden from driving cars still have to support with their tax money.
      Jan 7
    • Databricks Sksnxn
      A good portion of highway infrastructure is funded through gas taxes, which if I'm not mistaken those same folks wouldn't be responsible for. 🤔
      Jan 7
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      When was the last time anybody got a rebate on fuel taxes when somebody was requested/paid to drive them around? Everybody pays them indirectly.
      Jan 7
  • Salesforce cold brew
    Tell the family of Ronil Singh that a wall won’t work, and eliminating ICE is a good thing.
    Jan 70
  • Oath / Engfat
    You forgot that the 5 billion number is the most optimistic estimate for the wall. The most conservative estimate is at 230 billion. It’ll also cost 750 million per year in maintenance cost.
    Jan 77
    • So it will create jobs . Think positive :p
      Jan 7
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      Oh, gotta remember the whole almost half a dozen jobs it might make.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft 4655434b
      @Uber biggest job it’ll create is for people to fill tunnels...
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      You mean welfare payments
      Jan 7
    • Apple hMWF54
      Yes, it will create Mexican jobs
      Jan 7
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      Definitely getting removed^
      Jan 7
    • Oath / Engfat
      Government jobs, who are required to work without pay
      Jan 7
  • Nielsen / Eng
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    Transit has guaranteed return. If you find something this simple so difficult to comprehend, go enrol in a PhD in philosophy, maybe that'll help.
    Jan 75
    • Databricks Sksnxn
      A decently built system, yes. ST is not that. It's slow, low capacity with a short reach at a high cost.
      Jan 7
    • Nielsen / Eng
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      Still guaranteed return. It may not be a high return, but it's a return that is needed, not just wanted.
      Jan 7
    • Apple fu manchu
      It took me 2.5 hours this weekend just to drive from Santa Clarita to the end of the grapevine. Something that should take just 30 minutes.

      I’d take the train in a heartbeat. I get it. You’re talking about Seattle, but Cali is also building an expensive high speed rail and they can’t build it fast enough.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft ivanka
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      Unless you live and work next to stations the train is fucking useless.
      Jan 8
    • Apple fu manchu
      I take the ACE train to work 3 days a week and ride the company shuttle 2 days a week. It’s better than the company shuttle. My return trip is 30 min faster than the shuttle. There’s shuttles from each train stop to surrounding businesses. Tons of people use it. Plenty of parking at the station. I never drive to work. Piece of cake.

      Only reason I don’t ride the train every day is because my company doesn’t subsidize a full monthly pass.

      Trains work just fine.
      Jan 8
  • Oracle / Mgmtyahboi
    It will be cheaper to fly than to take that stupid train. Mark my words. That train is only helping the contractors that are building it and the consultants that are pushing pencils and paper.
    Jan 72
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      Consulting work is all digital now.
      Jan 7
    • Oracle / Mgmtyahboi
      It was figurative.
      Jan 7
  • Yelp / Engyelpparty
    Source or it didn't happen
    Jan 71
    • Microsoft ivanka
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      It's in the fucking report stop being lazy
      Jan 7
  • Amazon / Engn0v
    67B is a disgrace, even if it could have some positive values. We need a new city government. Spending any money on an ineffective wall is also totally idiotic. We need a new Federal government.
    Jan 70
  • Intel &&-9jj
    Don’t forget the $120B for the train to nowhere in CA
    Jan 70
  • ViaSat / Designmark1650
    It's all about "resist". Even Schummer was in favor of more border security a few years ago. It's like the supreme Court appointment process again. We give $54b in foreign aid, and we spent $3b on cash for clunkers, but we can't afford 5b for our security. It's all politics.
    Jan 70
  • Oracle iOFR21
    Coz we elected a shitty comgress, who want to make America a shitty place.
    Jan 70
  • I hope the wall is built.

    Like indians justify 400m dollar statue with "it creates jobs" , Americans will justify the wall with " it stops immigrants"

    Both statements in isolation of everything are true.

    Some jobs would be created by the statue,
    Some immigration would be stopped by the wall

    But Is that the best way to use that money to solve the said problem? Or is it just symbolic to get votes....Meh
    Jan 73
    • Apple magikarp16
      As an Indian, I do not justify the said statue. Also, Indian government sucks as much as Trump, maybe a little less.
      Jan 7
    • Well there are many who do.

      I also think it's a collosal waste of resources mainly meant to create some kind of historical backing for the current government.

      Funny enough sardar (whose statue was erected) had banned rss, the mother of BJP, for violence
      Jan 7
    • Salesforce / Eng:q!
      Wall doesn't stop immigration. Immigration continues through legal ways that do not require hopping over the wall. It would be nice if American consulates concentrated on that instead of being point of support of insurrection in the host countries.
      The wall reduces (hopefully eliminates) illegal border crossing/trafficking.
      Jan 7
  • Apple fu manchu
    The trump wall isn’t 5 billion. It’s more like 50 billion.
    Jan 72
    • Oracle eeel
      Go higher. It’s not 50.
      Jan 7
    • Apple fu manchu
      100 billion?
      Jan 7
  • New UHtz31
    Because you're only assessing the quantitative cost to benefit as opposed to incorporating the qualitative component as well. Youtube China train system, it effectively lays out why the chinese government is laying down tracks despite a loss on a every ticket sale and how that's offset by qualitative and political reasons, which to an extent can be related to this scenario as well
    Jan 70
  • Google l4fw9c
    Protip: you're unlikely to get either.

    The wall will at most add to the patchwork of fences we have now and public transportation will be gimped thanks to environmentalists, NIMBYs, and corporate interests.
    Jan 70
  • Stripe / Engsu4178
    There is no fucking way a border wall is going to cost only $5B. I think the government will spend more than that on eminent domain payouts for the land needed to construct along the Rio Grande.

    That said, $67B for abysmal public transit is a total joke.
    Jan 70
  • Oracle ypoint
    That's how crony (whatever) creates high TC jobs and low unemployment!
    Jan 70

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