$70,000 stolen from me at work...

Hearst Communications cmxx
Aug 7, 2018 146 Comments

My sales goal was changed after the quarter ended, which shorted me $70k in commission. I don’t know what to do. I’m not sure that this was legal despite the “final bonus payout subject to VP approval” fine print. Even with that being said, if I want to keep working for the company I’m not sure I can actually do anything about it. If I was to pursue legal action I’m fairly confident they would let me go during the next round of layoffs (they are all too frequent). It was disclosed to me that my adjusted quarterly bonus payout number was essentially plucked out of thin air and the compensation plan had to be changed because we were $900k over the compensation budget for the year. This just didn’t seem fair to me! I’ve been at the company for eight years and have worked my way up to recently be promoted to my current director level role. I have tried reasoning with my boss and our EVP but it goes nowhere. It’s been a fairly good year, and I’m happy with my earnings (even without the $70k shortage) but I also feel like I’m being used and am frustrated by how this has been handled. I feel like I’m being stepped on. What’s to keep this happening again, and again? This bonus check should have been over $90k, and the largest I’ve received in my entire career at the company was $50k in January. Thoughts? Suggestions? Has anyone had with something similar come up?

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    • New bunny1
      I’m sooo dead lmao
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Expedia Jfjxxnsjdj
      Fuck top level Comment.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Microsoft done don't
      We are poor engineer here
      Aug 7, 2018
    • New / Eng wQqb83
      Savages
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Airbnb 5n10
      Aaw tech is upset non tech is here.
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Oracle / Eng
      tyxiba

      Oracle Eng

      PRE
      Deloitte, IBM
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      Client facing engineer here. I'm a people person I tell ya!
      tyxibamore
      Somebody's got to hawk your shit software.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Marvell 67hj
      Without sales the coding ninjas will be fresh out of jobs. Y’all need ea other.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      vBiW66

      Facebook Eng

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      Facebook
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      Move fast
      vBiW66more
      @faramir for the upvotes
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Amazon 🌲💯/2
      @5'3 Indian we may not be able to walk but at least we can reach the dishes on the top shelf
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Expedia Jfjxxnsjdj
      This thread (and the rest of the comments) confirm Blind is as bunch of entitled dickhead engineers in their 20s. Someone comes with a real issue and all top level comments are memes. Fuck yall
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Cisco trustme00
    Sales people are on here too... don’t listen to the trolls. Get a lawyer and talk it over, then make a decision on your next step. Something like this will come up in almost every successful sales persons career.

    If you consult a lawyer, worst case you are out a little more money now (nothing compared to the 70k), but you are better positioned for the rest of your sales career on what red flags to look for in the comp contract.

    Also, I would strongly suggest you plan on leaving the day after you get the next commission check... regardless of how things play out. It’s not like they are going to make the number easier next year, and if they do, they will cap your earning all over again. You are almost guaranteed a down year.
    Aug 7, 2018 3
    • Hearst Communications cmxx
      OP
      That’s usually how it goes, after a good year, the following year is a washout.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • New / Other
      Tzal02

      New Other

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      Blue Cross Blue Shield
      Tzal02more
      I just realized my last place did this regularly (⊙_⊙)
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Disney omegared
      If you let this slide then they’re just gonna keep doing it, and they will even use your accepting of it as a way to legitimize it on the next person they do it to.

      You could TRY talking with someone high-up heart to heart beforehand, tell them you love your job and you don’t want to do this, but you feel like you have to unless you work out some kind of compromise or something. They will probably fire you on the spot and dare you to try fighting them legally, but you could TRY if you don’t really want to ruffle any feathers and keep your job.
      Aug 7, 2018
  • HotSchedules 5429
    Honestly I was in a similar boat at my previous job. I had a lot of tenure, but my bonuses never matched up. First I had a greedy boss who didn't want to pass more money down to me, but then I switched bosses by moving to a different department (sales role) and still found that the goals were shifting to short me at the end of it.

    I ended up applying to a role at another company for a "practice interview", but I found they were willing to offer me a base higher than my base and bonus combined at my last role, and an even bigger bonus. I think it's easy to feel ownership and loyalty to a company when you've been there that long, but some external offers (or even just one) would help you show your worth, especially when held up next to your results, and show them their mistake.

    FWIW, I did get a counter offer to stay at the last place, but decided it was time to try something new and leave a situation where they were abusing my loyalty and trust. No regrets!

    Good luck.
    Aug 7, 2018 6
    • Tesla eng56
      Some studies show that people who end up taking their current company's counter offer leave in 6 months anyways. I don't have a link though
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Amazon Fjwb2748
      How did you communicate your feelings towards your old company? Did you tell them you felt like they were "abusing your loyalty and trust"?
      Aug 7, 2018
    • MGM Resorts joTz32
      @eng56, probably because their company's policy is to underpay employees, so the employee leaves instead of continually needing to work for decent raises.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Genentech Gogog
      @Tesla, I have heard of these so - called studies, but never actually found one that says employees who accept counter offers end up leaving soon. I have, however, heard from several employees who accepted counter offers and stayed for several years after that. So, I wouldn't discount counter offers in general.

      In this case, though, I would jump ship. This is an abusive company. If you take shit once, they know you will take it, and will continue to do it over and over again.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Tesla eng56
      Yea everyone quotes a wall street journal article that I can't seem to find. But it's something like 80% gone in 6 months, 93% gone in 18 months. Now obviously every scenario is different but the general thought is people were unhappy in the role anyways and the extra money didn't really solve the underlying issues.
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Apple G5¥i
    Get a lawyer who is willing to work for 3% total settlement fees. Thats ur best bet
    Aug 7, 2018 10
    • Trifecta / Eng f1.5
      Even if he has to give the lawyer 30% for contingency fees, that’s 70% of $70,000 he wouldn’t have otherwise.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Skyped
      That's how normal people do math, but lawyers have this special math. It's X% "plus expenses". A "copy" of a document is $2 + .35 per page. The list goes on and on and on and that 30% easily turns into 45%.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Google MAOz16
      Try 30% if settled out of court, 40% in court
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Huntington Ingalls Industries / Ops
      Specter

      Huntington Ingalls Industries Ops

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      Robert Half, Salient CRGT, TEKsystems
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      Mercenary BOFH, came up through the help desk trenches, now an AD/Azure Sysadmin.
      Spectermore
      Expenses itemized like that are only a thing if you hire a total scumbag
      Aug 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Skyped
      I only have one first hand experience and it was with an upper tier law firm. To be fair, they told me 30% + expenses. I just didn't realize how detailed the expenses would be.

      Just understand going in and try to get expenses in the contingency.
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Amazon LoanerBadg
    TC or GTFO
    Aug 7, 2018 3
    • Quantcast iejdy
      Idiot
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Microsoft Goyya
      Chutiya amazon
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Apple :$
      Haha!
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Expedia b@tm@n
    Bonus is not guaranteed, that’s what happens in sales. Get a real job.
    Aug 7, 2018 5
    • Salesforce uTTA76
      Stop being a jerk. Sales is a real job and it's a skill. Learnt o see your colleagues for the value they bring to your own success. This is an ecosystem we need Sales and they need us....it's not like leadership sees you as better than them anyway. Unless your at the top, you're just another cog.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Expedia b@tm@n
      You’re*
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Salesforce uTTA76
      Great, in 2018 you can spell lol.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • New JoVa
      Says the guy who thinks he is Batman, haha. Rest assured, he has no sense of reality. His advice means nothing.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Workiva / Sales
      Nutz1la

      Workiva Sales

      BIO
      Regional Account Executive
      Nutz1lamore
      If it wasn't for sales, no one would have a job, you fucktard. Sales IS THE only real job. The rest of you are just support.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon NMJO05
    One thing people are missing here is that the main reason you shouldn't stick with this employer is because if they did this once, they'll do it again. Especially if you stay.
    Aug 7, 2018 3
    • Oracle / Eng Ryps76zxcv
      If he fucks them up over it real good they will think twice before messing with him again. And firing him would be much harder because it will look like a retaliation which opens them up for another round of fucking. ;)
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Paychex ReKz02
      Umm, do you know how the real world works? It's very easy to retaliate against an employee and make an awful work situation. If employee quits, no harm no foul, company is free and clear.
      The thread starter is right, they'll keep doing it. Not because you let it happen once and you're a bitch, but because it's part of the corporate culture
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng Ryps76zxcv
      Some people are exactly that: shriveling little bitches. Yes, they will keep fucking the ones who let them and no, they won't dare to make your work situation "awful" once there is a paper trail of you taking them to the back of the barn for spanking. Just like any other predator they prefer to chomp on something less poisonous. But hey, it's your funeral, do as your intuition tells you.
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Apple / Design
    aplanonymo

    Apple Design

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    Google
    aplanonymomore
    Check out similar lawsuit against Oracle. Just go to Labor Commissioner while employed, they will handle everything and your employer won’t be able to fire you while government is suing them. No need of an attorney ;-)
    Aug 7, 2018 1
    • Hearst Communications cmxx
      OP
      Oooooh. Good thought!
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Cruise Automation / Product Gijmkigfsf
    “Lawyer up to lube them up.” A very well known legal professor once shared with me this tidbit of wisdom.
    Aug 7, 2018 0
  • Oracle TXfH70
    Bakchod. 70 hajjar rupiya kon rakhta hai hai office mein
    Aug 7, 2018 3
    • Deloitte dba
      Chutiye pahele pura padh le.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Quantcast iejdy
      Haha
      Aug 7, 2018
    • New cqof10
      I read this post and suddenly ended up on Indian blind
      Aug 9, 2018
  • Get a few good lawyers at a well known law firms to review. If they say you got a case then you got one. The threat of legal action from a big firm will make them pay. Add your lawyers fees to your demand letter. Then leave.

    But good luck getting another job — now you’re known as someone who sued their employer.
    Aug 7, 2018 3
    • Amazon LoanerBadg
      Isn't this wage theft? Context matters in lawsuits. It shouldn't look bad if you had to sue because of wage theft.
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Amazon AMZNman
      He’s right - filing suit against an employer is a one lane road. Plus, they’re surely covered via all the wiggle language when they issued your comp plan. Net, you’re fucked, move on and find that next gig!
      Aug 7, 2018
    • New boneo
      Can't write yourself out of law 😉
      Aug 8, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    newlives

    LinkedIn Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    newlivesmore
    Not that I know what I'm talking about... But if you start legal action and they let you go, you might easily proceed for retaliation. Seek legal action and talk to hr (if you minimally trust them)
    Aug 7, 2018 1
    • New dxfS10
      Hr job is to protect the company not the employee
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Oracle perkyzizs
    Interesting how anytime you're new at the current level, how some people try to play you! Always something to learn! Good to see the perspective of some other real jobs, fine prints and the ways things work at higher levels. Great insight from others on the thread too. Good luck!
    Aug 7, 2018 2
    • Hearst Communications cmxx
      OP
      Thanks!
      Aug 7, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      Sorry this happened to you cmxx. I’ve experienced the engineering equivalent at previous employers. Come hustle ads at FB and get paid properly.
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Amazon Songofrvr
    Spent 12 w Hearst. They don’t give a shit about people. They made us feel like they were fighting for us then turned about face and turned a legacy into click bait. Get a lawyer, walk away. Short-sighted greedy bastards. Put that hard work and new position to use by landing you a good spot somewhere else.
    Aug 7, 2018 0
  • Amazon AMZNman
    I had this happen before to me. And it was one of the main reasons I left after 12 years. There are TONS of great sales jobs and good sales people are always in need. Use this as your reason to act and start looking for a new gig - NOW!
    Aug 7, 2018 1
    • Comcast keysersözæ
      Are you in a sales role at Amazon now?
      Aug 7, 2018
  • Adobe / Eng 83hx702jns
    Commission compensation was over budget??? That is the most negative spin on "better than expected sales" I have ever heard.
    Aug 8, 2018 0
  • Salesforce Dddjjj
    Most commission agreements say the company can change the comp structure at any time, including retroactively. If yours said that youre shit out of luck. That being said idk if id stick around at a company that would do that.
    Aug 7, 2018 1
    • Twilio hOYy03
      This is not true in CA —
      The law changed on this in 2013. Changing comp after a deal has been closed is not legal in California under CA Labor Code section 2751. Lots of companies try to do this but it is absolutely not legal and will not stand up in court.
      Aug 8, 2018
  • Amazon ByteMe0101
    Lawyer up! There are plenty that will take it on contingency payment. What they did was wrong and you should get what was decided previously. They can’t retrofit your commission for a quarter that was already over. And look for another job. This is not a place you want to continue working for!!!
    Aug 7, 2018 0
  • That's a terrible situation. Lawyer sounds like best advice, followed by interviewing elsewhere. Good luck!
    Aug 7, 2018 0