A barber's license expire every X years and they make $30 for 45 mins which includes materials. How can one survive?

Amazon zxndjei
May 15 60 Comments

Went for top rated barber shop in fremont. She did a brilliant job. With tips, it came down to $30. I saw her license on the wall. It said it expires in 2021. She was probably 1 of 5 employees there. Might have a family, daycare costs, etc. Shop rent is not cheap. No benefits.

How do you feel about your $200k+ TC now?

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  • Facebook ⭕w⭕
    Deserved, you know how hard I had to work to be able to solve LC hards in under 30 minutes?
    May 1513
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      You're right! Why should I talk to a guy who doesn't take himself seriously! You're a joke.
      May 15
    • Facebook ⭕w⭕
      Seriously though, who stuck such a gigantic piece of stick up your ass? You always take yourself this seriously? Did your parents beat you too much?
      May 15
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Would your mum be proud of your comments on blind?
      Clown.
      May 15
    • Flagged by the community.

    • What a lovely conversation, I love anonymous discussions amongst industry professionals
      May 16
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      It's still better than conversations inside an Uber.
      May 16
    • Yes, I too dislike conversing with the plebeians /s
      May 16
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      Also kidding. I love rideshare drivers.
      May 16
    • Seal Software GreySeal
      But what do ride share drivers make an hour? And did their mothers beat them as well?
      May 16
    • Flipkart / Engsilentass
      Amazon, why so much anger?
      May 16
  • Microsoft jNJe23
    "A barber's license expires every X years and they make $30 for 45 mins ..." - thought this thread will be about LeetCode problem :(
    May 151
  • Google -Knight~
    She is living her life . We are slaves .
    May 150
  • Microsoft billbill
    So are we supposed feel bad for them not making good money? Life is not fair get over it.
    May 153
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Remember this when you're old and tech has evolved and beyond your skills now.
      May 15
    • Google ovBk62
      It's about knowing when tech is going down and switching to other fields, OP. You don't seem to understand this. Many of us chose tech because it's lucrative. We didn't simply get lucky.
      May 15
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      And you expect us to believe you never whine about anything unfair that happens to you —getting hit by a car or being passed over for a promo for a less worthy person?
      You’re either a liar xor a hypocrite!
      May 16
  • Google z5RtU7F
    Top barbers charge much more than $30... She is either not a top barber or is underselling herself.
    May 152
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Next time your kid gets average scores or choses to work in non-tech field, tell them this.
      Everyone deserves a decent lifestyle.
      May 15
    • Google z5RtU7F
      Yes, unfortunately the world isn't a fairy tale and my kids will most likely need to deal with the reality that not everyone gets to live a decent lifestyle.

      Not sure what your point is.
      May 15
  • Lenovo / Salesyodajoda
    Honest question, why is expiring license relevant here? Dont they just renew it? I dont have much knowledge of it
    May 156
    • Arista Networks unVS80
      I’ve the same query
      May 15
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Because you've to pay for renewal and/or give tests. We have it too easy and take it for granted.
      May 15
    • Arista Networks unVS80
      How much is the renewal fee and how difficult is it to pass the test?
      Well TC is one thing but life on H-1B is pretty uncertain too.
      May 15
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Are you one of those who crib and cry about any minor inconvenience and blame it on H1B? If yes then I've a suggestion: leave right away. Take control of your life.
      Dude imagine making $100 a day and spend half of it on materials and other half on rent. You also have groceries to do and school fees to pay. Also, your license is expiring so need money for that.
      On H1B, atleast for 3 years you're taking home $300k. Then you take the savings with you back to your home.

      Thats the difference: Savings!
      May 15
    • Arista Networks unVS80
      I agree with most of your points but I don’t see how a barber’s life is getting significantly affected by license renewals, given you haven’t even done any research on the associated costs.

      Also not everyone makes 300k on H-1B.
      I know people who find it hard to make their ends meet on the same.
      May 15
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      OP how about you get off your high horse before you break something? You didn't even do research. Cost of a license is around $100 every two years. Nothing. 🙄

      Hell, you don't even have data on H1B salaries. Go home, you're drunk.

      Also, you better be tipping your barber if you want a decent cut each time.
      May 16
  • Google USApotato
    $60/hr * 2080 hrs * 80% booking rate (not sure if this is reasonable) comes out to 100k/yr. Note that not everyone gets the cheapest haircut like you and rent is split 5 ways. Also what material costs are you talking about? My barber only uses a water bottle and electric trimmers that you never need to replace.

    Not bad IMO
    May 152
    • Microsoft rand(NULL)
      How about rent, equipment, vacations, sick days? They probably don't own it, so it is not just rent. Maybe they get half of the haircut price at most. ~40-50k is more realistic.
      May 16
    • Google USApotato
      I don't think it's that high. 15 vacation days comes out to a 5% loss. Rent (assuming $20/sqft/yr) is split 5 ways and comes out to $4k per year. That's another 4%. Like I said, most equipment is reusable. But let's deduct 5% more.

      Left with 85k
      May 16
  • Amazon / Englegend
    Just curious, what answer are you really looking for? Seems like you are bashing anyone and everyone. Did you have a bad day?
    May 161
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      Seriously. It's like a shitpost just to attack lol.
      May 16
  • Microsoft / Engu7huyt54
    Its a choice everyone makes. You could have been a barber and your barber could have been a swe.
    May 154
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      You think she chose this life? Either you're ignorant spoiled kid who got everything they've ever dreamt of or too naive for this world. Grow up.
      May 15
    • HBO cjwg22
      Some people like doing hair. Unfortunately, some people do a poor job of advocating for their skills and getting paid what they’re worth.
      May 15
    • Microsoft / Engu7huyt54
      Let me rephrase. Its about choices, skills, passion and a bit of luck.

      My first job was about $17/hr and 70 hr weeks.
      May 15
    • Pegasystems GeoffPesos
      Disagree somewhat. Some choices look better depending on a person’s situation and social circle. There is also the real possibility of your endeavor going to waste. Not all choices and their risks are known.
      May 16
  • F5 Networks / Eng<-
    Why didn't you tip higher?
    May 151
    • F5 Networks / Eng<-
      I ask this because a decent barber charger atleast $25 in Seattle. (30 mins max)
      May 15
  • Google ovBk62
    I feel fine about my TC. I've worked my way up to here. Made a lot of informed decisions to come from a village in a third world country with a family net worth of around 50k USD to this place today where I'm getting over 300k per year.

    All of us didn't get lucky. We chose tech because it was the future, we worked out asses off, and reached her. I feel proud of my TC. Thank you.

    Nothing is impossible, especially in Bay area. Look at how many people get jobs through boot camp. If your barber wanted to switch to a more lucrative career, they would have.
    May 160
  • I'll take a stab at this.

    The bottom line is this: If you want to get paid more, solve harder problems.

    I'll set up some context, bare with me.

    As a subway sandwich artist I made $7.50/hr
    As a janitor I made $11.31/hr
    As a prep cook I made $8.50/hr
    As a professional classical guitar instructor I made $44/hr
    As a junior web developer I make $38/hr

    As a sandwich artist I solved sandwich problems.
    As a janitor I solved basic sanitation problems.
    As a prep cook I solved potato and onion problems.

    I needed no schooling.
    I was paid accordingly.

    As a professional classical guitar instructor I solved music theory, execution and performance problems.

    These problems require patience, determination, understanding of the problem and the solution. They require the ability to explain a complex concept 10 different ways to a student of any age. They require hours of practice outside of work to stay capable and knowledgeable on basically everything a student could ever ask.

    I played guitar for 15 years, took lessons for 7 years, and got a degree in Guitar Performance.

    I was paid accordingly.

    As a web dev at a dev shop I solve whatever problems get thrown on my plate.
    These problems change daily, the environments change weekly, the ramifications of one solution over another have to be weighed constantly. These problems have deadlines, these problems can create problems in previous solutions I've made, these problems normally entail a solid amount of time googling, stack overflowing and wrapping my brain around a concept to draw a conclusion. These problems require learning new technologies and new syntaxes and best practices.

    I went to a dev bootcamp and coded 14 hours every day on a diet of bagels, spaghetti and ramen noodles for three months to land my first job. (And coffee... This career is sponsored by black coffee. Anyway, where was I)

    I was paid accordingly.

    Before becoming a developer I though it was the most overpaid career. This is the case in some places.

    BUT.

    Barbers solve hair problems and not cutting the clients head open accidentally problems. Side note: The reason why barbers need to renew their license is for your peace of mind knowing that they are capable of cutting your hair safely.

    So, all that to say. I don't feel bad making what I make. I go in to work to work on problems I don't yet know how to solve. That is the most ridiculous career decision ever.

    Edit: After cleaning up vomit, handling psycho customers and chopping onions for 10 hours a day I don't feel bad at all for what I make. Get out of here with that garbage. Thank you very much
    May 162
    • Microsoft / Engu7huyt54
      Whoa.. that was well said.
      May 16
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      Fun fact: barbers used to perform minor, archaic surgeries like bloodletting and cupping.
      May 16
  • Apple
    EyePhoneX

    Apple

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    EyePhoneXmore
    Why the fuck are we comparing top engineer salaries with a barber? Is OP Bernie Sanders?
    May 160
  • Microsoft mistermiss
    You get a cheap haircut. You must go to great clips and then tip like shit 👏🏼
    May 160
  • Airbnb avqx65
    So basically you like socialism right? That’s what everything in this thread is pointing towards lol...
    May 150
  • Google L7@AWS
    How much does a barber license cost? Many professions in the Bay Area make significantly less than SWEs, not just barbers
    May 151
    • Amazon zxndjei
      OP
      Obviously barber's case is 1 of many.. if you have to point this out, I can see how irritating you'd be in team meetings.
      Get the underlying message!
      May 15
  • Amazon / Engwyb2017
    This is not how society works. Nobody automatically deserve a higher salary or better life in general. It has to be earned. Also, who the hell do you think you are?
    May 160
  • Glu Mobile PQSK63
    She probably taking home more money than the 200k+ TC does.

    1. She probably doesn't not report 100% of her income especially if she accept cash.
    2. She has a business or she is an independent contractor which means shit tons of stuff can be considered business expense and reduce her taxable income.
    3. If her income is low, she can get great government benefits such as free healthcare, section 8 housing, reduce electricity, gas, cellphone, internet bills, childcare, etc.

    Also, it is obvious that you are a guy. Have you seen how much she charges for a female cut? Perm? Color? They make way more than $30 per hour.
    May 160
  • LinkedIn ex-fb
    the license renewal is trivial. It’s administered by CA board of barbering.
    Second, most barbers have enough free time on non busy days and can afford a laptop, so if they really wanted to be a SWE they would have been one by now.

    That being said, it’s a pity some feel that being a SWE at FANG is some great accomplishment. Anyone who has been able to afford college can make it as a Swe at FANG, so unless you come from some extremely impoverished or otherwise challenging background, you aren’t the special snowflake you think you’re!!
    May 161
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      You think you are. See, you don't even need college.
      May 16
  • Evernote mehwhateva
    So why didn't you pay more? Sounds like you could've helped her out more if you feel that bad
    May 160
  • Micro Focus / ProductGWOz11
    I’m not sure if you understand how it works. If a barber works for someone, they have to give a pretty big cut of what they make, excluding tip. It’s typically 40/60. Of the $30 charge, they keep 12 and 18 goes to the shop.
    May 160
  • Clover Health sinkinship
    How about you clean your own house first, OP? Amazon laborers are paid shit. Pick the battles you can actually fight.

    Barber license is around $100 every two years in Cali. Something similar in each state. It's not that dramatic, kid. Just be sure you tip well if you want a good cut the second time.
    May 160
  • Akamai Technologies
    I have seen people with 300k TC getting haircut for $10 incl tips

    Imagine how that barber would feel if he knew about the TC.
    Life is hard.
    May 150

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