Is leveling consistent within AWS and Amazon? Specifically, levels.fyi implies that Amazon levels up from Facebook and Google. AWS claims the opposite. And the seniority of folks I’m seeing seems to confirm that. One issue is that Amazon seems to have a huge range within L7 (I have an offer as a L7 PM). So I’m just curious if others find the leveling comparison with peers to be inaccurate...
It’s the same. technical bar is supposed to be the same among all orgs. I have worked with some very very smart people in retail.
No question smart people all around. Just curious. My guess would be for PM roles bar might be higher at AWS. For Engg, similar. Just a theory.
Levels are same across the company. Hiring bar is higher on average in AWS
Hiring bar seems to be slightly lower in AWS. I’m an SDE 2 in retail, so far every other SDE2 I knew personally that moved to AWS was promoted to 3 at the next promo cycle. Thinking about it myself
There are some bad teams in AWS at the same time it's less politics, so it depends heavily on team to team. As per the hiring bar, it's well known fact that AWS has higher hiring bar than retail. Even some hr folks openly admit that! But based on my experience, I'd say it's same.
Hiring process was a ringer for AWS, L7 has a huge range. 5-6 are pretty spot on imo, but for some roles it's hard to tell the difference between 5-6 other than what they're paid.
Correct. Top talent usually leaves Amazon.
L7 can differ between orgs. Having been at amazon an L7 can be a principal (IC) or a senior manager. Compensation with be different and expectation will also be different. As for bar level comparison between orgs I think that’s a natural thing. Some orgs will just have a higher expectation for the people they bring in. Though bar raisers should have a consistent rubric they go after. It’s the overall team itself that determines the type of people initially.
The hiring bar is the same across teams at Amazon. That’s is the exact purpose of the bar raiser. I’ve BRed for AWS and many other tech teams and I can assure you we don’t evaluate a candidate differently because its an AWS role, or retail, etc. There may be pockets in a remote site or small team that have less experienced BRs or some other anomaly that compromised the company wide bar, but that would not persist at the level of a whole org like AWS. This is one area we do better than most comparable companies.
Theoretically the bar should be the same between Amazon and AWS, to echo amzn11. And that bar should always be getting higher. Practically however, I don’t know. With my AWS team, I like and respect 100% of the people I work with. Some processes are a little looser in AWS than in retail, but it all works. I was sorely unimpressed with my retail team and org but that was just one division, so I can’t say definitively that it’s worse overall. Amongst L7’s, I’m really impressed with the AWS product managers and senior managers, and SDMs. I know more than a few vacant and delusional L7’s in retail but I assume they’re an exception.
So senior manager and principal are both L7? That’s crap, no? For PE they say they are gods, but SM are present like peanuts. So what’s special about L7 PE..
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