Accept FB e5 or push for e6?

Intel qmmm66
May 18 47 Comments

First attempt with fb, 15 yoe, relevant experience, SWE position. They want to offer e5 and have me work for e6. Should I push for e6 or try negotiating higher pay with e5? A bit worried about meeting expectations of e6 but also don't want to be low balled. No competing offer at the moment.

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  • Facebook DefNotZuck
    Honestly it’s better to come in as E5 if the pay meets your requirements. Refreshers/Bonuses can be really big at FB so it is much better to come in as an E5 and get above average ratings (which means big bonuses and refreshers) and then get promoted in a couple years. The expectations coming in as an e6 are really high and there’s a much bigger chance you crash and burn (and likely if your comp isn’t already high they would start you near bottom of e6 pay).

    TL;DR, you will be happier starting at high E5 salary and hopefully doing a good job than come in as a low paid e6 and maybe not meet expectations.
    May 18 2
    • Samsung cynt
      How exactly expectations differs between e5 vs e6 ?
      May 18
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      that helps thanks! can you elaborate the expectations though?
      May 18
  • Facebook Pascality
    Levels can't be negotiated - you'll need to have a couple of extra interviews for a higher level. Small chance that you might lose your E5 offer if you bomb those.

    DefNotZuck had good points - you'll have an easier time as E5.

    One counterpoint - I came in as E6, and am loving it so far. Higher expectations can be a good thing. When people around you expect you to have huge impact and drive big projects, it's amazing what one can achieve.

    I'm on track to get EE in my first half as an external E6(fwiw), and the past 5 months have been the most exhilarating time I've had at work for many years.
    May 18 9
    • Samsung cynt
      What are the differences between expectations of e6 vs e5?
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      At E6 you are a tech leader for a small team or a group of member. You need to implement the most critical part of a component. You need to do a lot of XFN. And so on...

      At E5 you're now an independent engineer with a clear initiative and directions...
      May 18
    • Samsung cynt
      One my friend in fb told me , if one doesn't get promoted in 2 years he will get PIP. He is in e4 though. Not sure whether same case with e5 and e6
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      You can indefinitely stay at E5. Up or out applies for only E3 and E4. No one forces you to promote to E6. But in reality if you do well at E5 your manager will push you for a promotion.
      May 18
    • Samsung cynt
      Thanks , for the information
      May 18
  • Facebook gEKd54
    I recommend you go with the e5 offer. Meeting the expectations of an e6 when you are not comfortably there is brutal and you might face the "less nice" side of fb - high expectations, fast promos, but also a fast pip
    May 18 0
  • Intel qmmm66
    OP
    Not discussed pay yet but from what I see on blind, 200/600/100 seems like the highest for e5 and my yoe. That pay is fine for me but I'm worried they may not go that high esp with sign on and base, if e5. Just checking here before I start talking numbers. Also don't want to be placed lower than I should, as current employer did that to me once.
    May 18 8
    • LinkedIn bl[in]d123
      Don’t know if it’s the max, but it’s definitely on the higher end
      May 18
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      Seattle
      May 18
    • Amazon dighit
      Facebook pays the same for Bay area and Seattle.
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng yby
      Standard offer is same. Ceiling is higher. SEA caps around $190/$600/$100. BA goes much higher
      May 18
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      ah ok. read somewhere there's no difference between bay and sea
      May 18
  • Samsung cynt
    Can you tell me what exactly ur specialty? Which division of fb you got offer from?
    May 18 7
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      no
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      We don't do that much embedded unless you are looking for Oculus. But we need a ton of system/performance/compiler guys, I mean not much distributed systems but very deep single computer expertise. We recently heavily invest ML acceleration. So folks from semiconductor companies have a lot of opportunities in here.
      May 18
    • Samsung cynt
      I always wonder, how much leetcode one has to do these speciality positions. Also what kind of system design for people with non distributed background.
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      For example design a customized malloc. You should be able to discuss for 35 mins...
      May 18
    • Samsung cynt
      Thanks . Do you have more examples?
      May 18
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  • Facebook / Eng unf
    Congrats op! focus on pay than levels. You cannot negotiate levels without reinterviewing.
    May 18 0
  • Facebook / Eng delete[]
    Did you take two system design interviews? E6 needs two hire ratings from two design interviews. (If the last design interview was done by two people at the same time, and one of them is just a shadow, this isn't counted for a real interview result.) And given you're from Intel, I guess you're a specialist. In this case domain-specific interview is really important factor for E6. If the recruiter is reluctant to give out E6, this means your key interviewers didn't support E6 hire. I won't join as E6 as its bar is very high. It's a safe bet to join as E5 with high comp.
    May 18 3
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      yes i did two. it's possible it didn't go as well as i thought it did. i wasn't expecting e6 anyway as I'm g8 here so e5 is ok too.
      May 18
    • Facebook / Eng delete[]
      If you're a staff at Intel, E6 isn't for you. Source: I worked at Intel :)
      May 18
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      well technically I was placed lower and many reorgs happened that prevented promo.
      May 18
  • Microsoft no-sql
    Congrats. How was interview process? Any suggestions for system design?
    May 18 2
    • Intel qmmm66
      OP
      Interview was a couple of leetcode hard questions for the coding. I made mistakes but managed to fix with their help. design went better as i had told them my strength areas and requested questions only in that. behavioral was straight forward.
      May 18
    • Microsoft no-sql
      Thanks what resources did you use for design ?
      May 18
  • Intel qmmm66
    OP
    So if I do get an offer from G, what do you suggest? Push for e6 or push for the most pay I get for e5? I don't have a sense of the bar for meet expectations so I'm confused. I'm awaiting G results as well but FB work is more relevant to me.
    May 18 1
    • Microsoft NewSeattle
      If you have the same performance, google is mostly likely give you L4, because they aggressively down level people
      May 18
  • Amazon sftrefghj
    Level negotiations are insanely hard and work in very rare cases. If they did not offer you E6, most likely because in interviews you did not clear the bar for it. If you get a competing level offer from G, things might be different. Otherwise it’s a pretty much take it or leave it kind of a deal.
    May 18 1
    • Facebook / Eng unf
      Levels are non negotiable. Op needs to reinterview design + behaviorial
      May 18
  • Intel qmmm66
    OP
    May 18 0
  • Nvidia twobitin
    Yeah threaten to tell the world what kind of shit place this is to work if they don't promote you immediately.
    May 18 0
  • LinkedIn / Data mSNI75
    Is pay in line with what you were expecting?
    May 18 0

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