First attempt with fb, 15 yoe, relevant experience, SWE position. They want to offer e5 and have me work for e6. Should I push for e6 or try negotiating higher pay with e5? A bit worried about meeting expectations of e6 but also don't want to be low balled. No competing offer at the moment.
Not discussed pay yet but from what I see on blind, 200/600/100 seems like the highest for e5 and my yoe. That pay is fine for me but I'm worried they may not go that high esp with sign on and base, if e5. Just checking here before I start talking numbers. Also don't want to be placed lower than I should, as current employer did that to me once.
Level negotiations are insanely hard and work in very rare cases. If they did not offer you E6, most likely because in interviews you did not clear the bar for it. If you get a competing level offer from G, things might be different. Otherwise itโs a pretty much take it or leave it kind of a deal.
Levels are non negotiable. Op needs to reinterview design + behaviorial
So if I do get an offer from G, what do you suggest? Push for e6 or push for the most pay I get for e5? I don't have a sense of the bar for meet expectations so I'm confused. I'm awaiting G results as well but FB work is more relevant to me.
If you have the same performance, google is mostly likely give you L4, because they aggressively down level people
Honestly itโs better to come in as E5 if the pay meets your requirements. Refreshers/Bonuses can be really big at FB so it is much better to come in as an E5 and get above average ratings (which means big bonuses and refreshers) and then get promoted in a couple years. The expectations coming in as an e6 are really high and thereโs a much bigger chance you crash and burn (and likely if your comp isnโt already high they would start you near bottom of e6 pay). TL;DR, you will be happier starting at high E5 salary and hopefully doing a good job than come in as a low paid e6 and maybe not meet expectations.
Can you tell me what exactly ur specialty? Which division of fb you got offer from?
Congrats op! focus on pay than levels. You cannot negotiate levels without reinterviewing.
Yeah threaten to tell the world what kind of shit place this is to work if they don't promote you immediately.
Did you take two system design interviews? E6 needs two hire ratings from two design interviews. (If the last design interview was done by two people at the same time, and one of them is just a shadow, this isn't counted for a real interview result.) And given you're from Intel, I guess you're a specialist. In this case domain-specific interview is really important factor for E6. If the recruiter is reluctant to give out E6, this means your key interviewers didn't support E6 hire. I won't join as E6 as its bar is very high. It's a safe bet to join as E5 with high comp.
Levels can't be negotiated - you'll need to have a couple of extra interviews for a higher level. Small chance that you might lose your E5 offer if you bomb those. DefNotZuck had good points - you'll have an easier time as E5. One counterpoint - I came in as E6, and am loving it so far. Higher expectations can be a good thing. When people around you expect you to have huge impact and drive big projects, it's amazing what one can achieve. I'm on track to get EE in my first half as an external E6(fwiw), and the past 5 months have been the most exhilarating time I've had at work for many years.
that's good to hear. you must be very good. i personally don't consider myself stellar so e5 might be a good way to get my feet wet in the faang culture.
For E4->E5, a strong internal recommendation or a competing offer can boost. But yes getting E6 offer is pretty tough. Recruiters and loop owners recently intially target E6 for many candidates who mostly ended up no hire or E5. Source? I interviewed dozens E6 targeted candidates. OP it is actually good to acquire an E5 offer here. In many cases it can be just no hire..
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Is pay in line with what you were expecting?