Advice for young women in the industry

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Jul 31 35 Comments

I’m currently an undergrad interning at Amazon as an L4 SDE. I noticed that there are very few women in the management, and I’m gonna go ahead and assume it’s the general trend in the industry?

I know I’m very new to the industry still, but I’d like to start off with a goal to reach the decision making level eventually. Any advice for me? Both long term and short term advice can help!

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  • Microsoft mbczeyhj
    Work hard and whine less!
    Jul 31 5
    • Cruise Automation cruise’in
      But theres a difference between whining and being outspoken! Just make sure youre outspoken and speak your mind in a constructive and postive manner
      Jul 31
    • Google / Eng iamhal
      Make sure you're open to listen to /why/ they do things a certain way.
      Jul 31
    • Amazon / Eng LTvv56
      Love that this implies that she is whining 🙄... But the child comments are good advice!
      Jul 31
    • Microsoft mbczeyhj
      OP, don’t do what LTvv56 just did - whine. You will never enjoy any workplace. I didn’t mean you were whining. People are free to interpret things however they want. Always assume positive intent the first time at least
      Jul 31
    • Amazon / Eng LTvv56
      😂😂😂 fam
      Jul 31
  • Snapchat
    rThn06

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    Dont get into all the women empowerment talk and start thinking about how women are perceived a certain way. I am not saying that all of that is false, i just choose to not engage in it; Coz assuming equality increases my confidence. And listening to all these women empowerment talks will make u see every feedback in the light of discrimination and u wont be able to improve.
    Jul 31 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    Big_fish

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    Find a female mentor in a decision making role that you are aspiring to. Don’t have kids or if you do, find a husband less ambitious than you.
    Jul 31 4
    • I agree with the mentor part. But why not have kids or find a more ambitious husband?
      Jul 31
    • Amazon / Eng Brad ley
      Google the motherhood penalty to understand
      Jul 31
    • Axtria 4muchblind
      A more ambitious Indian husband is a no-go
      Jul 31
    • Amazon / Data
      jnKv42

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      Female mentor is great, but what you need for promotion and real growth a sponsor, not a mentor. Someone with political pull or influence is the important part. If you can find a female sponsor great, but (not saying this is how it should be) most of the people in positions if power are still men right now.
      Jul 31
  • Spotify smcduck
    And why do you assume that it has anything to do with gender? Take a look at the CS students gender distribution and stop making artificial limits to your own potential.
    Jul 31 3
    • Amazon / Data
      jnKv42

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      Read the post, she's specifically saying she doesn't see a lot of women in UPPER MANAGEMENT, she's not talking about the gender distribution of your average undergrad class of CS students.
      Aug 1
    • Spotify smcduck
      She’s saying management so take your ”UPPER” somewhere else. Amazon has a huge number of engineering managers and since she’s an SDE it’s safe to assume she deals mostly with them. These managers have a CS background which brings us back to my original point. Read my post and sit down.
      Aug 1
    • Amazon / Data
      jnKv42

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      Hahahaha! Smcduck, you're so cute but so dumb 🤭
      Aug 1
  • Amazon / Eng Brad ley
    it really doesn't have to do with Amazon proactively discouraging women, the complete opposite actually. But often women move to PM roles instead of SDE and it's usually because they want more people interaction. But if you're dedicated and know what you want as a woman, Amazon will not get in your way, you will actually find a lot of encouragement along the way
    Jul 31 3
    • Amazon / Data
      jnKv42

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      Not necessarily, I have a female friend who was a rock star DS. She's building some legit optimization models, some that are even being adopted network-wide. But she doesn't look like your typical engineer (she considers herself a "girly-girl") and a lot of times her models are discounted and people who dont model themselves (aka Sr. Leadership) assume "it must not have been a very hard model to make".

      and she's so sick of seeing her male counterparts getting praise and sometimes even promotions for "complex and amazing" Excel models haha. And on top of that her manager will sometimes ask the guys if they want to go golfing, or grab a beer after work one on one. she's never been invited for any of these things, and even if she was she couldn't exactly go being a young, attractive, single female without raising some eyebrows.

      Anyways, she started thinking about a PM role even though she doesn't like interacting with people and she loves building models but she doesn't see a path to any sort of leadership role or even general career advancements in a tech role (with out having to dress like a dude and work twice as hard as all her male peers)
      Aug 1
    • Amazon / Eng Brad ley
      If her peers are actually promoted for work for lesser worth than hers, she should sue.
      Aug 1
    • Intel .tc
      Well it would be a huge risk to go out with a young single female. That’s just dangerous with the metoo fiasco
      Aug 9
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  • New / Eng Betal
    Join Facebook. All the 3 main products: messenger, Facebook and WhatsApp are lead by women.
    Jul 31 0
  • Oracle alwzangry
    For every job that you take up, go where you find a good boss - not just nice, but influential and confident boss, of any gender, who could open doors for you. You must go with your gut feeling about people. Don't chase the gender angle alone - you are what you are and it's not because of your gender. Read about and understand leadership and corporate politics. Don't pick nasty, aggressive people as mentors - please!
    Jul 31 1
    • Oracle / Eng loloj
      This advice applies irrespective of gender
      Jul 31
  • Amazon / Data
    jnKv42

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    Search for this 15 minutes Ted talk in Spotify, wish I knew this when I started working 8 years ago ... "How to find the person who can help you get ahead at work | Carla Harris"
    Jul 31 1
    • Amazon / Eng
      hot_Donna?

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      Than you for sharing..... that’s a very interesting point “the way to grow your power is to give it away”. I’ll be looking out for that :)
      Jul 31
  • Facebook / Eng e999
    Decision making happens at most levels both Eng and management.

    There are fewer women in tech and hence fewer in upper level (that percent is even lower for various reasons).

    But not every man will reach highest levels either. Think about it. And then try to model the successful ones. And stop playing gender card people hate that. Just focus on getting very very good at what you do.
    Aug 2 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    bbserver

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    It’s very team dependent. 2 teams I worked on had 50/50 gender split, and many female executives. Don’t assume your experience as the industry standard.
    Jul 31 0
  • Copy successful men. Not because they are men but because they are successful and there are more of them.
    Jul 31 1
    • Axtria 4muchblind
      Only if men had the same journey to success as women
      Jul 31
  • Take the lead even when it’s not part of your role. Make sure you’re the expert first :) Help others in many ways and it doesn’t have to be an official mentorship. The lack of women in management is exacerbated by the lack of women in tech in the first place. If you mean the glass ceiling, then keep trying to push through it. If they won’t budge even when you put your 200%, then fuck it and leave. My 2c.
    Jul 31 0
  • Microsoft boogr
    Best bet is to join Microsoft. Regardless of skills and experience you should do quite well.
    Aug 24 0
  • Oracle OlJs40
    don't work for amazon. Everyone I have met at oracle who came over from amazon hated it there.
    Aug 4 0

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