Afraid I might be a diversity hire

Undisclosed DiverseAF
Feb 15, 2018 89 Comments

Not really a #metoo thing, but want to hide the company for obvious reasons.

Recently started interviewing at a few places, FANG and some startups. People are very eager to talk to me, mostly going straight to onsites and/or coffee chats with management.

Somehow I just can’t shake the feeling, people are only interested in me so much because I am a woman and the teams I’m talking to are not particularly diverse.

Really don’t want to be a diversity hire

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  • Microsoft
    TooLong

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    TooLongmore
    There’s been so much discrimination to women for so many years at the workplace and there still is that I think a little bit of positive discrimination to sets things right is fair.
    Feb 15, 2018 27
    • Microsoft SeaHawk!
      Even if the company has trillion dollars in cash, it shouldn't have to hire someone who can't do the job for any reason.
      Feb 17, 2018
    • Microsoft
      TooLong

      Microsoft

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      TooLongmore
      That’s totally unrealistic. Life happens to everyone. So let’s see what you think when life happens to you, too.
      Feb 17, 2018
    • Microsoft SeaHawk!
      Yes, there are unfortunate homeless, hungry orphaned kids, etc. it is the job of the government to provide support in these cases, not corporations.
      Feb 17, 2018
    • Undisclosed DiverseAF
      OP
      @TooLong as an employer im not obligated to face consequences of your shitty life.
      Feb 17, 2018
    • Microsoft
      TooLong

      Microsoft

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      TooLongmore
      @DiverseAF if you refer to me : my life is not shitty plus I’ve never been happier. + @SeaHawk: my point with life will happen to you, too is that you both think as these people as others. That’s a big problem cause again: life will happen to you, too plus you need to plan for backup when you hire someone even if she is not pregnant or a mother or a sick person or a person with elderly parents or with any other problem that could prevent that person from doing his/her job.
      Feb 18, 2018
  • Undisclosed Teln83
    As a female hiring manager, I can tell you that I’m excited about building a diverse team, but I’m not wasting my time on unqualified candidates.
    Feb 15, 2018 10
    • Undisclosed metoo1
      Lol because you think only men are qualified? Narcissistic much?
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Amazon ?,.:;()$&
      What a tool. I never said anything. Stop assuming. If you read my examples. I have quoted men and women fairly and i said you could have either a team full of qualified men or qualified women, which means it lacks diversity. Hence you cant have both
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Undisclosed Xtjm53
      The problem is that “qualified” is not easy to objectively quantify. In the process of trying to find out if someone is qualified to do the job, you may either be looking at this person through a biased lens (unconsciously) or you might see “objective” qualifications that make someone look like a lower level because of previous unconscious bias. The goal is to dig deep to find out whether this person actually would be awesome for the job. Then you create an inclusionary culture for diversity to thrive and not be quashed. That’s how you build a diverse yet fully qualified and high performing team.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Undisclosed metoo1
      Bit confused on why you think a team has to be ALL men or ALL women for it to be considered qualified. Again, it is possible to have a qualified team that has men, women, other ethnicities, other personality types, etc and be both diverse and qualified team. Not mutually exclusive.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Amazon ?,.:;()$&
      You could have a diverse team not qualified ENOUGH (again no offense to any gender or ethnic group). You cannot optimize for two parameters {qualified and diverse} its simple law of nature.
      Mar 2, 2018
  • Undisclosed 1deqXR6wcQ
    The cost of the SJW agenda: we are denied the ability to compete solely on merit.

    As a minority, I resent being treated differently by those trying to “help;” primarily white liberals attempting to assuage their guilt. It’s so degrading. Others will always wonder if I only got where I am due to factors totally outside my control. Or they will resent me because I may have taken the position from someone more qualified.

    During one hiring discussion, the HM/recruiter agreed we could have hired the candidate, but he was male so we had to pass. They explicitly stated they would hire if he were female. He was a Chinese man. I was in favor of hiring him. Guess he wasn’t the right minority!

    The only solution is meritocracy: no forced quotas, no diversity hires, no affirmative action. Ironically, what I’m calling for is an end to institutionalized discrimination, but SJWs don’t see how discriminatory and racist/sexist they actually are.
    Feb 15, 2018 6
    • Undisclosed DiverseAF
      OP
      Affirmative action is illegal in my country because it is still racist/sexist. It’s such an odd concept to fight wrong with a different type of wrong
      Feb 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng JWC3f7
      False flag trolling quality: 4/5 stars
      Feb 15, 2018
    • HealthNow / Eng binarycafe
      False flag trolling? 🤔
      Feb 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn gTqu56
      Meritocracy isn’t a solution, it’s an unattainable ideal because of inherent human bias. People will always prefer the what they perceive as “same”. It’s well-established behavior. At least some of the bigger companies try to weed this out of the equation by having blind feedback, hiring committees, etc during the hiring process.

      Add to that that there is no objective measure of “quality” or “effectiveness” in almost any field that can’t be gamed to show more merit. Merit is unavoidably qualitative.
      Feb 17, 2018
    • Undisclosed updwncrypt
      Meritocracy? Lol. It doesn't exist. If you think it does, how do you assess it? The criteria you call or think of as merit are not really that much of merit. Just because you worked hard and hustle to aquire your skills, you're attempt to attribute your "job offer" to your very own unique talent. Forgetting about your referrals, your network, your mentors, your role models. Last time I checked still 80% of jobs are from referrals and the tech world is crazy about this nowadays. Recruiter will asked if you know anyone that works at their company. That doesn't sound very "meritocratic" to me.

      You get the job if you manage to convince the hiring board that you're promising good candidate that will make the company more money. That's it. And there so much more into this than your skills ( I know, I know, whiteboard and hard Interviews). But, you should know that when you get hire, the other person in the shortlist was probably as skilled as you, maybe a bit more skilled than you. At this point you only get the job because your interviewer, based on his internal biases an judgement, think you'll be a good fit for the role. It's been well known by now that people like people with similarities, also people presume you're competent if you look like someone they know that's also competent. Very few people are open minded without effort to be conscious about it, most people aren't. So basically the variable that played out for your success at getting hire turn out not to be your skills, even though you're skilled.

      Basically I wrote all this just to tell you got the job because of lot external factors, not because you deserve or merit it. "Meritocracy" is the lie we tech world tell to feel good about them selves. They don't wanna seems as wall street boys club. No they're changing the world fighting injustice 😂

      Finally I'll say, companies only put they money where they mouth are. If they hired a person, it means they would be making money off it, in the long run or short run.
      Maybe in your case the manager is trying to avoid creating an toxic environment that would gross out the next rockstar hire that's female ( rockstar come in all shape or form or skin tone). As a leader you have think about every cases. That's clearly not your cup of "thinking" I can see...😁. That's why chances are no one put you in that role.
      Feb 18, 2018
  • Microsoft hskf81
    That’s alright - my manager straight up told me I was a diversity hire. :(
    Feb 15, 2018 6
    • Uber STarly
      What a jerk!
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed ?,.:;()$&
      Uber - How do you know whether the manager is he/she ? Talk about bias
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Microsoft hskf81
      Who mentioned a specific gender? A jerk can be a female too
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Undisclosed / Eng iSk!ttles
      Edits aren't made visible so they may have edited after the fact
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Uber STarly
      Who may have edited?
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Undisclosed BigLou
    Why does it bother you? Minority is an intrinsic advantage.
    Feb 15, 2018 6
    • New / Design Isaiah
      I refuse to call msyself a minority. Change the language and you change the perspective.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed BigLou
      Minority isn’t a shame. You could be a minority and a top performer at the same time
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed DiverseAF
      OP
      Personally I just don’t like the assumption that I faced tremendous struggle in my life because I wasn’t born male. Frankly, I didn’t even realize that being a woman was any different until i moved to america.

      This one time I was interviewing for this really hot shot job at Pepsico and my hiring manager told me that I can have the job if I also have sex with him. I was 24 and he was in his late 50s. I screenshot that covo and sent it to everyone I could think of at that company. He was fired the next day.

      Bottom line, that’s the real problem, and to solve it, don’t be that guy. But also please don’t treat me like a fucking charity case. I am highly skilled and well educated and the biggest struggle of my life is when my instacart order is delayed.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed hdTI13
      haha no it isn't. clueless comment
      Feb 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn gTqu56
      I’ll add to the discussion too DiverseAF that it’s awesome that you don’t feel like being a woman puts you at a disadvantage and that you didn’t realize it could be one till you moved to America. But many women do feel that way, and it’s not an American phenomenon. There are female activists and authors all around the world and all throughout history who have railed against social mores and laws that specifically target and diminish women.
      Feb 17, 2018
  • Bloomberg jdsF61
    There are no such thing as diversity hire. World is an unfair place and you need every advantage you can get. Use whatever you have to your best advantage, ace the onsites, get multiple offers and starting a bidding war. Don’t believe the bullshit that you are diversity hire, if you get the offer then you have earned it.
    Feb 15, 2018 3
    • Square Beard dude
      “...if you get the offer then you have earned it.*”

      *except if you’re white and/or male in which case everything you have worked hard for is because of your unearned privilege.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed DiverseAF
      OP
      Oh cry me a fucking river.
      Feb 16, 2018
    • LinkedIn gTqu56
      Square: being white/male gives us an advantage. Doesn’t mean we haven’t earned what we have - but it also doesn’t mean the advantage doesn’t exist. Some folks are born stronger than others - doesn’t mean that diminishes all the time they spend in the gym. But it also doesn’t mean they weren’t born with something other people don’t get.
      Feb 17, 2018
  • New / Other 01509
    I am an African-American woman who also syffers from clinical depression and was recently diagnosed with MS, although I don't have any fatigue, numbness or anything else.
    Every time I apply for a job, it ends with a EEO questionnaire about my race, gender, veteran status and if I have a disability.
    I am an accomplished professional and am good at what I do but I don't want and shouldn't be considered a minority hire. Does it count againt me if I answer these questions? Would it be best to leave them blank?
    Feb 15, 2018 5
    • Undisclosed / Eng binarycafe
      I haven't really found a benefit to announcing i had a disability. It doesn't seem like much accommodation is given when they can't literally see you wearing the disability. I announced with a shitty corporate giant who didn't care though... YMMV with a good company that cares about it's employees.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Uber STarly
      I would mention the race but leave medical stuff out (unless you need them to accommodate it somehow). I never know if medical issues might work against one or not.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Uber STarly
      @OP, life is not fair. Take every advantage afforded to you. Others get a lot of benefits as well that you may be unaware. Also, as many have mentioned, often in hirings managers ensure there is diversity in the candidate pool they are interviewing but once you make it to interview everyone is judged based on their skills.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Capital One paynful
      I thought those questions were given to everyone for reporting purposes only.
      Feb 18, 2018
    • Undisclosed hdTI13
      Those questions are there for reporting purposes to make sure companies aren't subtly discriminating in who they contact. HR doesn't even have access to your responses to those questions, they just sit in a db somewhere for reporting. If you care about equal opportunity you absolutely should answer those questions. They actually are used that way and discrimination lawsuits absolutely are won based on EEO.
      Feb 25, 2018
  • Microsoft Hellioli
    Hey! Nobody would hire you if you weren’t any good. Don’t even doubt that for a second. You probably have two box ticks: good+diversity. Great for you!
    Feb 15, 2018 0
  • Chase fnWL34
    Make them see you are more than a token hire. You make your opportunities. You can change their mind. Regardless of how you got your foot in the door, you determine how you are viewed based on your work.
    Feb 15, 2018 0
  • Salesforce doct
    Tech companies really need more people with different perspectives to help build the future of tech. You'll do just fine.
    Feb 15, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed hdTI13
    I'm a white guy and this happens to me too. I think companies are just desperate for talent and spend more time trying to sell the company than actually interviewing you. I have a strong resume so I guess my experience speaks for itself.
    Feb 15, 2018 0
  • Netflix KZfkgq
    Why don't you think you can make impact? There are insights that only you can bring to a workplace.
    Feb 15, 2018 2
    • Undisclosed DiverseAF
      OP
      I’m not saying I’m an idiot. Just feels like I’m being favoured not because of merit
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Netflix KZfkgq
      Take advantage of what you can get. Others may have better or worse opportunities lined up compared to you, life is not fair. Have some faith in yourself.
      Feb 15, 2018
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    • New / Eng
      compme

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      compmemore
      ^ solid advice
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Undisclosed hdTI13
      Are you a white male? Serious question.
      Feb 15, 2018
  • Shutterstock bd42
    Imposter syndrome - totally ok, don’t worry.
    Feb 25, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed hdTI13
      This. Almost every person regardless of race, gender, or anything else has similar feelings at some point. It is totally normal and you should just push through to the other side.
      Feb 25, 2018
  • Hopper TCLn08
    You may or may not be one. But how is life at that company for women? POC? Disabled?
    Sep 29, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed Luber
    Fake it until you make it. Don’t stress out, everyone have one of those moment. Doesn’t mean you don’t deserve to be there.
    Mar 18, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed Cute cat
    I’ll ask ... honestly some companies do have diversity headcount not only towards women but also other minorities.
    Feb 28, 2018 0
  • Google moverdep
    Better than not getting hired at all. I don't think you'd hired if you were not qualified tho.
    Feb 22, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed Driftv
    We hired a black person back to back - we hit the jackpot
    Feb 22, 2018 0

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