Airbnb, DocuSign or Amazon

Amazon Eockne
Dec 7, 2018 26 Comments

Title says it. Am borderline HV/TT at Amazon and know I’m up for promo in Q1 (Seattle location). Have opportunities at Airbnb and DocuSign for equivalent and likely even higher level roles in both but don’t yet know comp offering, just know it’ll be higher than anything the promo will give me at Amazon (likely 50k+).

Factoring in market conditions and a possible downturn and their product offerings, which would you choose?

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  • New roku789
    Ya what’s great about Airbnb
    Dec 7, 2018 1
    • Amazon OvBd68
      It’s not amazon 😢
      Dec 7, 2018
  • Airbnb Gr888
    Which location? Seattle?

    Interesting problems, room for growth, strong tech leadership, talented co workers, great work life balance, close knit culture, top tier pay (tech), new senior leadership from Google (CTO), Amazon (President is Homes, CFO ), and Instagram (Product).
    Dec 7, 2018 0
  • Amazon Eockne
    OP
    Promo is to L7. Also should clarify I’m not an engineer but I’m more interested in the culture, interesting work, better WLB and much better comp. same things engineers look at.
    Dec 8, 2018 0
  • Amazon Eockne
    OP
    Lot of votes for Airbnb, let’s see some reasons other than name recognition or first choice on the list.
    Dec 7, 2018 6
    • Amazon Eockne
      OP
      Most of that sounds good, and yes in the valley Amazon’s brand is worse but I’m thinking the market brand. Amazon is second to almost nobody but they sit in different markets anyways.

      Perks/benefits are for sure better at DocuSign and Airbnb, but what about Airbnb comp package? How is that broken out?

      TC is 300+ today and would need to much higher base, bonus and a lot of options to make it worth the move. Think that is likely?

      The thought of a 2019 or 2020 IPO is certainly enticing as well
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      What's your total industry YOE and level at Amazon? You should be able to see your equivalent level at Airbnb on levels.fyi and figure out the comp range.

      I've seen $300k offered to new hire devs with 2 YOE at Airbnb. Typically ~$175k base, ~$25k annual bonus and $100k annual RSU's. I highly doubt they'd be unwilling to match or beat your current comp.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Amazon Eockne
      OP
      I’m not an engineer, am in leadership. Yoe is 13 and soon to be L7 at Amazon (up for promo now)
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Airbnb i18n123
      Not sure the exact range for other departments, but you should be able to target more than 400k easily with your experience level.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Amazon imvfv
      I would think so. I’ve got an offer coming from another (public) company that stands to be 420k+, although Airbnb is more interesting.

      How much is cash versus paper money with Airbnb these days though? Since it’s so late in the pre IPO game with them, options don’t stand to be exercisable or worth a ton for a while after going public.

      Base, bonus % are king early on
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Amazon Eockne
    OP
    There are two other choices than Amazon. So, again why so much love for Airbnb (honest question)? Looking for data points to help in decision making.
    Dec 7, 2018 4
    • New ✨🤓
      Better design + better viability than docu-lame
      Dec 7, 2018
    • Amazon Eockne
      OP
      Is this by experience or someone you knows experience or simply through research of systems? I ask because you disparage DocuSign’s name so I wonder if there is a reason
      Dec 7, 2018
    • New ✨🤓
      I’ve friends work at both, and personally, have shared a building w the SF folks at D~ and it’s all bad there from what I gather
      Dec 7, 2018
    • Airbnb Cvbbsghwwr
      Because there are at least three exec from amazon
      Dec 7, 2018
  • Amazon Eockne
    OP
    And what does L6/G10 comp look like generally?

    In talking to them, they did say the Seattle office needs to grow to over 300 in the next year or so. Been through that kind of growth many times.
    Dec 8, 2018 2
    • Airbnb Gr888
      I can’t speak for non tech. Generally you have base, initial grant (4 years) and sign on. Equity vests per quarter without cliff. Removed for 2019 and beyond. Refreshers which are about 25% of your grant in value (not units). Then there’s cash bonus which for G10 should be 20% of salary and performance based.

      I would estimate your base starting around $220k or more. TC in tech for G10 runs around $450k. Also worth noting that bands get wider the higher up you go in level so YMMV depending on experience and interview performance.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Airbnb Gr888
      Shoot me a private message for more detailed questions.
      Dec 8, 2018
  • Amazon leetcode🙃
    Which level for the promo? If you are L6 or above, stay. L6 or above is equally or more impressive compared to other FANGs
    Dec 7, 2018 2
    • Facebook ijPJ70
      I have great respect for Amazon seniors and principals. But considering my comp nearly doubled by going to another FANG I'd have to say it wouldnt have been worth staying for the prestige
      Dec 7, 2018
    • Amazon Rnd9457
      ijPJ70 tc at Amazon vs FB and level at both?
      Dec 8, 2018
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  • Airbnb Gr888
    Seattle office will likely double in size and having leaders like yourself locally can position you well. Might involve travel to SF often to keep teams connected. L7 Amazon would be equivalent to L6/G10 here.
    Dec 8, 2018 0
  • Amazon Eockne
    OP
    And yes, Seattle
    Dec 8, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng akline
    Amazon WLB sucks, DocuSign sounds lethargic
    Dec 7, 2018 0