Airbnb vs Uber Offer

Yelp T1000
Aug 21, 2018 33 Comments

Asked for y’all opinions earlier this week regarding Airbnb vs Facebook but I now have a harder decision. I have much more similar offers. I have 6 yoe with a TC of around 295k right now.

Airbnb: (Started negotiating but there should still be some room)
Lvl 5
200k Base
735k RSU with 1 year cliff
20% One time bonus
20k signing
15 pto

Uber:
Senior engineer L5a
192k Base
715k RSU with 1 year cliff
21k target cash bonus
108k target stock refresher
65k signing
Unlimited pto

Culture, wlb, growth both personally and of the company are important to me. What would you guys negotiate for and which company would you go for and why?

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  • Airbnb CjAbxry
    Congrats on great offers! You’re missing a few things for Airbnb:

    - Airbnb also has a target stock refresher. Probably around 1/4 of your initial grant or around 200K for L5.
    - In 2019, you can take up to 25% of your refresher as cash instead of RSUs.
    - The 20% bonus is not a one time bonus. It has not been officially guaranteed to stay forever, but very unlikely it will be completely taken away. Most likely it will be simply changed to factor in individual performance (right now only company performance based).

    15 days of PTO, but also 2 weeks of company wide shutdown during Christmas/New Years, so not too bad. I’ve come from a company with unlimited PTO and don’t feel PTO constrained here.

    If culture and WLB are important to you, definitely Airbnb. In general, people are way nicer here and WLB is generally quite good.

    Also food is much better than Uber’s and dinner starts at 6 haha

    I would try to negotiate up to 800K RSUs and you’ll be in great shape
    Aug 21, 2018 3
    • Apple / Other abcxyz007
      Will you be willing to refer me to Airbnb, I am in a non technical role
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Airbnb / Product Orpheus
      Seconded. Love my time at Airbnb so far and I’m a pain in the ass to please. Easily the best job I’ve ever had.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Airbnb Undivided
      Agreed with all of this, but refreshers are 160k for “meets expectations” at L5 (not 1/4 of your initial grant) and 800k is not likely these days (but go for it anyway! Why not?)

      Factoring in everything, comp is likely much better at airbnb.
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Apple / Other abcxyz007
    Airbnb, better product and good management
    Aug 21, 2018 3
    • Airbnb fLaNGe69er
      😂😂😂
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Airbnb Jimmyhud
      Better product for sure but for tech I prefer Uber management.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Postmates Fjfjr
      @ Jimmyhud Why do you say that?
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Uber foolius
    Uber hands down. You will be liquid next year and we are in for strong growth again this next year. Wlb is really good here, Imo. Food is not good, honestly, it's just ok. Lots of work being done to retain high performers so you're going to get great refreshers
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    21K target cash bonus yearly based on performance or is it one time? Which team do you like the best? Are you not considering FB?
    Aug 21, 2018 3
    • Uber colombo
      It’s annual cash bonus indexed on performance.
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Facebook geass
      So not consider Facebook any more?
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Yelp T1000
      OP
      Yea I don’t think so. The level difference and subsequent TC diff is just too big
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Airbnb Ofubdnwjje
    Airbnb has stock refreshers. You have not counted that.
    Aug 21, 2018 4
    • Yelp T1000
      OP
      How much do you guys usually get? I was not given a target range
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Airbnb CjAbxry
      You can ask your recruiter. Usually about one quarter of your initial grant for meets and higher if exceeds expectations
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Airbnb / Eng hudsonbaby
      it's usually around 150k for L5
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Airbnb def
      Also you get an annual 20% bonus for 2019. Possibly 2020 if we don’t ipo by then
      Sep 3, 2018
  • Uber hGFT63
    I was in the same position earlier this year and went with Uber. Airbnb is struggling to find the next rung on their ladder and is also going through a lot of volatility in engineering. So far Uber has been great. Solid growth, no drama that I’ve seen.
    Sep 1, 2018 2
    • Airbnb Belóng
      Disagree uber is hemorrhaging money and does not have the network effects like Airbnb (uber has negative network effects - drivers are more likely to join Lyft). Airbnb is spending time to fix issues from scaling the team too fast but is poised to continue expanding the core business as well as horizontally scaling - eg into trips
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Uber hGFT63
      I think Airbnb is a great business. They will have a successful IPO and will continue to grow. I really believe in them. That said, I had to make a choice between two great options. From my perspective Uber was the better bet.

      I enjoy the deep technical challenges at Uber. Losses are a result of massive forward investment — a luxury that only really Uber can afford.
      Sep 1, 2018
  • Uber Jfyv57
    Uber doesn’t do sign on bonuses 😂
    Aug 21, 2018 2
  • Uber / Eng
    Uber does sing on bonus now?
    Aug 21, 2018 2
    • Uber colombo
      Yes.
      Aug 21, 2018
    • Uber / Eng er11Nd
      whattttt got 0 6 months ago
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Uber broforce
    Awesome offers, congrats! Take Uber, we believe stock is greatly undervalued now.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • GrubHub iuCn33
    Man, those are some great figures for 6 YoE.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • Uber / Eng ronaldmcd
    Which team is this for at Uber?
    Aug 26, 2018 0
  • Facebook xxkw86
    Interesting. I have similar Uber offer, but target stock refresh is only 105k. Moreover, the recruiter said max sign on is 35k and this is the max of l5a.

    Is this your initial offer or after negotiating?
    Mar 13 0
  • Cruise Automation SelfRollin
    Do you have PhD, with 6 yoe, this is great offer I think..
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • Airbnb belo1234
    The uber stock refresher is not a bonus and airbnb has one too. It's just the normal annual refresher. They are aprox the same.
    Aug 22, 2018 0