Alibaba cloud is still hiring in Bellevue

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Sep 21, 2017 188 Comments

We are going to hire strong SDEs for the foreseeable future. Anyone interested or knows anyone that might be interested please PM me. We can definitely beat msft /Amazon in terms of total comp. We have also hired several from Google and Facebook. Btw, we support H1b transfer and sponsor Green card. This position prefers hands on experience in a large scale distributed system like Azure/AWS/GCP but not required if you have an exceptional academic background. For someone that worries about the lack of diversity problem, my manager and I will do our best to make sure that you will experience in an inclusive environment. Btw, we are alao looking for SDEs with experience in network/data center, thanks

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  • Facebook dollara
    7 years Amazon retail side Software engineer, 1 year Facebook ads software engineer, level 5 at Facebook. 350K current compensation. What can you give me assuming i pass interview
    Sep 21, 2017 14
    • Alibaba
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      Points taken but judging from the number of PMs I got, I think I have revealed enough information here.
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Facebook dollara
      How is it bad attitude. Alibaba is new to US market, how are we supposed to know your pay standards. You might as well say that it is beyond your pay standards after interview... it is better to check in advance..saves our time
      Sep 21, 2017
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      @dollara, I think I answered your question about pay, right? We can discuss the details in PM instead of here
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Salesforce Muhahahhah
      This guy is a mean Chinese dad
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Amazon mind vs. _
      This kind of guy will only attract the bad talent. Lol.
      Sep 22, 2017
  • Google cpwI16
    I wouldn't suggest people to work at Alibaba. Alibaba has really weird relationship with Chinese government. Government officials and their relatives hold large amount of Alibaba stock. You essentially work for Chinese government if you work at Alibaba. Also they could become LeEco at any time if government ditches Alibaba.
    Sep 21, 2017 11
    • Google cpwI16
      Why not comparing LeEco with Alibaba? They share the same natures right? They are backed by Chinese government, in fact certain groups of people within the governments. Their businesses have both legit parts and illegal parts. Why do you think you can still easily buy fake Louis Vuitton on Alibaba? Hmm....Why do people want to work for a company that makes money by selling fake Louis Vuitton?
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Amazon Homeless.
      In fairness, buyers do know that they are buying fake Louis Vuitton though.
      (And I personally don't care about Louis Vuitton.)
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Google cpwI16
      Well I think buyers know cuz the fake ones are really cheap.
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Amazon httNwV6X
      @Homeless. Haha. It's like LV does not have a real store in China.
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      The Chinese government has tight control on cloud and internet providers this is why Alibaba is the only company that can do it . Yes you will be bound to the success of the Chinese economy but they have a huge market and demand that Alibaba will be fulfilling . I am not sure in the western world how will they be able to compete is going to be though .
      Sep 23, 2017
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    • Amazon httNwV6X
      99% Mandarin Chinese.
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Alibaba
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      Not as diverse as I want but I am trying to change it. But I need qualified candidates first
      Sep 21, 2017
  • Epic nasre
    If this is real, sign me up.
    Sep 21, 2017 9
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      As many as possible
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Oracle / Eng Joye
      Usually you hire for business needs not just to build empire. There are so many red flags in your comments
      Sep 21, 2017
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      How do you know that we don't have a huge business need?
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Amazon / Mgmt
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      If you are sincere, why don't you respond with answers instead of counter questions that showcase both your ignorance and lack of preparedness for this dialog.
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Microsoft obviouslyU
      Why would anyone reveal specific business needs? There are many hiring strategies. If they're hiring that's all. So naive? You'll know if it's real after a recruiter does or does not contact you.

      Ali is here to crush others - hiring so you don't have talent or building faster - likely both.

      Microsoft, amazon and Ali are different.

      Microsoft wants to make money from its cloud to customers at the get go

      Amazon is ok breaking even.

      Ali is ok losing money.
      Sep 25, 2017
  • Oracle / Eng Joye
    And if you want all the same thing but in Seattle and with - in my opinion - a bigger chance of success I hire for BMC :-)
    Sep 21, 2017 11
    • Microsoft sde63
      @joye 😅 will you beat OP's numbers if I get offer from both of you?
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Oracle / Eng Joye
      Deal. Haha.
      Sep 21, 2017
    • Oracle RjAN40
      @nomads - why can't you call BMC a cloud with a straight face?
      Sep 22, 2017
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      @RjAN40, I think private cloud does not really have the quintessential character of a cloud
      Sep 23, 2017
    • Oracle RjAN40
      BMC is not private cloud. It's in oracle's data centers not customers'
      Sep 23, 2017
  • Microsoft a pawn
    Those of us who were there will never forget how the first round of Alibaba recruiting from cloud went 2-3yrs ago. Pretty much every single Chinese dev in our division in Azure, all at once, got messages (amazing intel). It was quite specific, they weren't even just looking for Mandarin speakers - Taiwanese were excluded as were second generation Chinese Americans. Mainland-born only. And what followed was all about money - we'll give you a bunch of Ali stock to come seed our company with cloud knowledge so we can copy amazon/msft.

    Alibaba got a reputation then for ethnic hiring (anybody who's been to their office in the black building in Bellevue knows that whole team still speaks Chinese to each other there, let's please not pretend otherwise). Also for recruiting more based on money than tech or interesting problems - a tradition that OP, whether using the name 'awskiller' or 'killazure' or 'nomads' (at least he got less offensive? heh) has maintained lovingly on these blind threads by throwing around #s (and don't get me wrong, compensation is important - though for most of us it's not a replacement for interesting and engaging work, otherwise we'd all be in finance).

    The result has been devastating for inter-ethnic relations in our segment of tech (which are generally pretty good minus a few racist neckbeards who appear to spend their whole day on Blind). Managers (even Chinese ones) started wondering whether their Chinese employees were going to quit for money, it became this kind of big unstated fear that nobody knew how to address and caused lots of suspicion.

    In the end they got some folks from cosmos and net but none of the best ones (they made Yiqun, Albert's acknowledged worst senior hire of all time, director of networking, hehehe).

    I'm sure OP's motives are good but reputations don't vanish over night. Fairly or not, they have a terrible reputation here, starting with my Chinese friends who say they would never work somewhere with such a toxic culture (agree with the previous msft poster on that).
    Sep 27, 2017 9
    • Microsoft a pawn
      Not a rumor, Albert's said it fairly openly :-).

      Albert's directs are 2 Americans, 3 Indians, 1 Chinese, 1 Russian, 1 Iranian, 1 Spaniard. 2 of them are women. We can always do better on diversity, but it's not terrible.

      Yiqun came in as a partner from Cisco with a lot of fanfare about how he was going to improve ExpressRoute and network design. He ended up doing next to nothing for a couple years in his valley retirement existance, except for a regional routing design he led, the disastrous effects of which are so famous we spent a year unwinding it. After a couple bad reviews he finally got the message and bailed. We felt so bad for Haiyong when we found out who he was going to be reporting to.
      Sep 27, 2017
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      Any pointer to “Albert's said it fairly openly”?

      IIRC, the above mentioned 4 folks were the only managers from Albert’s previous Azure Cloudnet team. They’re all Partner Group Dev Managers now. One of them was even a test lead in network. Another test lead in net was a female American, who was let go during massive layoffs and sued for discrimination ( https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft-employee-files-discrimination-lawsuit/ ). The other diversified managers were from either mergers or late hires.
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft a pawn
      *shrug* it's been stated by him in b42. Not sure what else you want :-).

      If you're that concerned about those 4, technically he got Deepak in a reorg (he was in aznet long before Albert, originally hired by Yousef when he ran Fabric), Parveen came in the same reorg, and he got Abhishek in the reorg when the test org collapsed into dev. Kanwal is a PM and doesn't even work for Albert, no idea why that was included.

      So obviously we value Indians a lot just as we do Chinese, Americans, and many others, but it's pretty absurd to claim Albert has some kind of bias towards hiring only Indians, it's literally 3 out of 9 of his directs.
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft danny
      Wow, that recruiting effort sounds really shady.
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft obviouslyU
      You make it sound like people here could actually get jobs in finance. Half of the analysis could never cut it at an ibank or consulting firm. People work for money. 35 hours a week for 200k or 60 hours a week for 300k. People choose one or the other. Make no mistake - Ali absolutely will surpass Microsoft all up As a company.

      Today amazon is 450 and Ali is 432. 18B is a rounding error.

      Yea, I couldn’t work there because it’s a bad culture - but some people are ok with bad cultures of a slave culture. PE firms, investment banks, McKinsey - they have slave cultures and are doing very well.

      Good > bad culture > slow culture.
      Sep 28, 2017
  • Microsoft Securitay
    Whoa. Best thread ever. Fake or not; love the engagement. Love it
    Sep 21, 2017 8
    • Salesforce Muhahahhah
      Why do you hate Chinese people blinding!
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Microsoft Blinding!
      I’m not against any particular race. I just like diversity. It improves culture and gets varied perspectives. It would be good for Alibaba if they improve that.
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Microsoft Blinding!
      OP - one suggestion. Have a non Asian person as part of the interview loop. That will help create a better impression as well.
      Sep 22, 2017
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      @Blinding Thank you for your suggestions
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      I'm imagining this interview as something out of South Park.
      Sep 22, 2017
  • Microsoft Erlang
    Since I've seen a few of these threads now, thought I'd share what I heard from friends who went :-). We know some folks who went to Ali from Azure, mostly in net/storage. All Chinese (don't think about it if you're not a native Mandarin speaker - the entire Bellevue office operates entirely in Mandarin from a social etc perspective by all accounts, you have no shot at fitting in or leadership if you don't speak the language).

    The pay is good, and most of the leadership in Net is from Azure (Yiqun, Haiyong, Ming, and Gang pretty much run the important parts of the show I'm told). But apparently the culture is quite toxic and competitive - for example they split networking into separate infrastructure (Yiqun/Haiyong/Ming) and cloud teams, and the teams are working on the same technologies furiously competing with each other and undermining each other (Ballmer era stuff - apparently this is just the culture there). I've heard nothing but complaints from friends / friends of friends. Might not be as bad outside of net.

    For folks interested in working at a Chinese company (and there are certainly good reasons to, given trends and the fact that the Chinese govmt will never let any of us compete / succeed seriously in China), I've heard from multiple folks that Tencent has similar pay and a much better culture, and is ramping up hiring from top US companies. In both Ali and Tencent the tech is a few years behind AWS/Azure (further behind at Tencent who got into cloud more recently) but in some cases that can be an opportunity, though you probably won't learn as much or be able to be on the cutting edge.
    Sep 23, 2017 10
    • New PRRa26
      That’s just your speculation. There are already many American/European corporations on Alibaba Cloud. The trade between US/Europe and China is far bigger than you could imagine.
      Sep 25, 2017
    • Microsoft Erlang
      >> Exactly the same as Azure with two Corporate Vice Presidents in the same Network team

      Not really. We have a VP Engineering, and a VP Product with the PMs - there aren't multiple engineering teams competing with each other.

      I'm just reporting what we've heard from multiple folks who went there, that there's a lot of toxic competition and tension between the different networking dev teams reporting to different VPs internally. YMMV.
      Sep 25, 2017
    • New PRRa26
      Exactly the same two years ago at Microsoft, there were multiple engineering teams, Windows Azure CloudNet, Bing APNet, and GNS competing with each other. There is only one VP in Networking across Alibaba now.
      Sep 25, 2017
    • Microsoft Scalala
      Haha, I think AP is still around in microsoft for Cosmos
      Sep 25, 2017
    • New PRRa26
      No APNet any more ;-) it’s merged and became a part of Azure Network, mainly the Datacenter physical network team now.
      Sep 25, 2017
  • Microsoft ShouldI?
    How can you make sure there won't be discrimination against non-Chinese employees.

    Are people in meetings mandated to speak English?

    Why are there more Chinese people? Does it not show bias in hiring practices? And how will it not effect career growth?

    I am not trolling, I am genuinely concerned about these questions
    Sep 26, 2017 9
    • Microsoft obviouslyU
      Your analysis is very foolish. White people hire Chinese people. Chinese people hire white peoples. That's the relationship. Yes there are white people that are very senior in ali. Ali is not only hiring Chinese people.
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft ShouldI?
      @obviouslyU. Well that is the problem they do not hire non-Chinese folk. That is why there office in Bellevue is nearly 100% Chinese. Now they want non-Chinese folk so they don't get dinged by anti-discriminative practices or perhaps they want to increase their talent pool. There is no guarantee provided that they won't discriminate with career growth based on their hiring practices in the past.

      Do you get my concern?
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft obviouslyU
      I understand your concern but you're making a lot of assumptions of anti discrimination practices. They want good talent. There is never a gutentee people won't discriminate. As an Asian male - I absolutely have felt discriminated. - could i prove it? No.

      There's never a guarantee - just to the potential manager. Feel him out. Ask him this question. Say - I'm a white guy. There are many Chinese ppl. I don't speak Chinese. This is my huge concern. And see his answer. If he fumbles and gives superficial reasons - it's not aligned. If he genuinely cares - then you need to worry less.

      Remember - you're not picking a company, you're picking a manager.
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft ShouldI?
      Not a white guy :)

      But you got a point about picking the right manager
      Sep 27, 2017
    • Microsoft My dev box
      "Remember - you're not picking a company, you're picking a manager."

      That's true only for a junior IC. If you're ambitious or want to become a leader, you're fairly capped.
      Sep 28, 2017
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      Stop trolling
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  • LinkedIn ajIk02
    I am personally going through similar issues...there are many folks from China and they start talking I guess Mandarin even in meetings sometimes.
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      Such as ?
      Sep 23, 2017
    • LinkedIn ajIk02
      There is no place for racist be it Indian or Chinese. Most companies make lofty claims of inclusiveness yet employees experience such things.
      Sep 23, 2017
    • LinkedIn ajIk02
      Yes I meant LinkedIn. It's getting worse day by day. This is totally against the inclusiveness, something leadership likes to speak a lot about
      Sep 25, 2017
    • Microsoft OKIW83
      My team is 70% Chinese and they have formed their group where a new Chinese grad is welcome to join them but non Chinese like me are not. Feel very discriminated.
      Oct 15, 2017
    • Microsoft **nutella*
      ^I had to switch because of the same reason. Chinese are good to work with but not under them. Too much dictatorship. this theory may not be true for others though.
      Oct 15, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Do folks in alibaba Bellevue communicate primary in Chinese or English?
    Sep 26, 2017 5
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      Official communication is in English but casual conversations may be in Chinese but I will make sure that they don't speak Chinese in front of non Chinese speakers
      Sep 26, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
      Can you get that written as a fireable offense?
      Sep 26, 2017
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      I wish I could
      Sep 26, 2017
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      Firable would be too much, our whole neighbor team would be fired for speaking Hebrew.
      Sep 27, 2017
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      I guess every workplace has this type of problem
      Sep 27, 2017
  • Microsoft Scalala
    As a non-Chinese person, I think we should give props to OP for at least trying to make Alibaba more diverse! The same can't be said for say companies from India like infosys (granted no talented person would join them, lol) where even the US branches are filled with Indians.
    Sep 26, 2017 3
    • Microsoft ShouldI?
      I agree at least op is trying and recognizes the issue
      Sep 26, 2017
    • Microsoft rangoon
      We are talking about companies here not bodyshops 😂
      Sep 26, 2017
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      Thanks, wish me good luck
      Sep 26, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
    How open are you to innovation vs stealing IP?
    Sep 22, 2017 3
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      We don't steal like FB
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng jskskd
      Really, cause your cloud looks like a clone of aws?
      Sep 23, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
      We have the best cloud
      Sep 24, 2017
  • Microsoft Sdsdsd
    These guys are a joke. There interviewers here we're morons. My friend got the minimum spanning tree problem. He was solving it with Kruskal's algorithm and the guy did not like it. He forced him to use Prim's algorithm, I am not sure why.

    Again don't bother if you don't speak Chinese. They have 60 to 80 people in this office and they are all Chinese. Department of labor should be alerted
    Oct 8, 2017 0
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    @op. How quick you make your decision on a candidate? Does it need to be confirmed with China office?
    Oct 8, 2017 6
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      How long is the process?
      Oct 9, 2017
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      Can take one to two weeks
      Oct 9, 2017
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      Why 2 weeks after interview? Don’t you guys debrief the same day?
      Oct 9, 2017
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      There are HR overhead
      Oct 11, 2017
    • Oracle BMC
      I moved on to my other offer and still no response after 2 weeks from alibaba.


      Update: no response after 6 weeks.
      Oct 11, 2017
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    OP, I know you are trying hard but I think there is some cultural difference that got you misinterpreted as being a bad attitude person here. May I suggest that you find someone who know how to recruit in the American job market before you dig yourself into a deeper hole?
    Sep 25, 2017 1
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      Please PM me on what I said make me look bad, much appreciated
      Sep 25, 2017
  • LinkedIn ajIk02
    Lack of diversity is a very big pain point. I would never consider such a role.
    Sep 22, 2017 3
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      I can see that
      Sep 22, 2017
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      I have been in a team that wasn't diverse once, never again. Not all homogenous teams are bad like that, but it's just one of the failure modes that you don't have in a diverse team.
      Sep 22, 2017
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      I know so I am trying to address this early
      Sep 22, 2017
  • Amazon pupper41
    Are you hiring new grads? I interned at Amazon last summer on a major AWS service.
    Sep 21, 2017 3
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      Do you mind if I PM you about interning at AWS? I'm shopping around for teams for my return intern offer, and would love to learn more.
      Sep 21, 2017
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      @pupper please PM me
      Sep 21, 2017
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      @testuser go ahead, more than willing to help out

      @nomads cool will do
      Sep 21, 2017
  • Microsoft obviouslyU
    Ali is coming to Seattle to poach talent. Ali's not afraid to lose money. They're ok fighting a war of attrition. Cloud iaas is a low margin commodity business. The Seahawks use Ali
    Sep 22, 2017 3
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      Where did you get that Seahawks use Ali cloud?
      Sep 23, 2017
    • Microsoft obviouslyU
      They do. I know for a fact. I don't believe this is under wraps. Are you denying this ?
      Sep 23, 2017
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      I'm just curious
      Sep 23, 2017