All this fuss, but no concrete action on H1B abusers

LexisNexis taxis
Sep 14, 2018 36 Comments

With the initial intention of H1B to be a highly skilled visa, why does the government not impose restrictions or penalize the companies hiring contractors on Visa, when it's clear that it's just a workaround to circumvent the visa intention, almost enabling abusers to continue leeching the system... Why not make it an easy process to hire full-time candidates who meet the merit required. Or make a special category of visa which is owned and maintained by USCIS rather than a shady intermediary for temporary contract work for skill gap areas?

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  • Research Now / Eng Shinzaemon
    1. The government should remove the H1-B cap.
    2. Salary for H1B should be minimum 120K
    3. Only direct recruitment possible. End H1B contracting and C2C corruption.
    4. US Masters/Phd education should have more weightage.
    Sep 14, 2018 13
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      So in that case it'll be a pay for play, so an rich immigrant will have a better chance over a poor local and that would be disservice to the nation. US education should not be given more power to profit from the immigration system flaws
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      Isn't that the case right now with immigration anyway? I'm just saying immigrants with US education should get a better priority than other immigrants without US education and not over the locals. Capable locals should always get the highest priority.

      Immigration is not the disservice, it's the expensive education that's the disservice to the nation.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      I think we agreed there
      Sep 14, 2018
    • VMware abc007xyz
      4 is also hard to implement. What about graduates from US universities that you and I have never heard of? Should they get ahead of someone with a bachelor’s degree from a top university outside the US?
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      @abc I think that should be a part of a different policy which governs F1 visa. It's usually difficult to get a visa for such no name universities. Along with other immigration policies, applications for the student visa should be scrutinized too.

      Its usually difficult to implement a 100% fair policy so anything that is an improvement over the current standard by at least double digit percent should he be tried out rather than waiting to find the best policy.
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Oracle sunnyCEO
    #ofrhz : increase the bar on compensation so u will get good candidates as well as stop asking them to relocate from silicon valley to seattle
    Sep 14, 2018 3
    • Amazon ofrhz
      Wait this is actually a dumber comment than I thought. The govt should be more concerned with the growth of the economy, and labor shortage would only hinder that. If amazon increased its compensation, that would only draw workers from other tech companies. You still have the same labor shortage in the tech sector. So wtf
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Amazon kukkuu
      @ofrhz It’s not Amazon’s compensation. H1B petitions have minimum wage requirements and it’s currently at $60k, and for a “skilled”workers that is way too low and it’s easy to abuse at that compensation. Now if minimum compensation is say $100k then companies will think before abusing it. Usually contractors get projects for 100-120k per head and then they hire H1 head for 60k!
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Oracle sunnyCEO
      @ofrhz wtf ? u don’t know shit about H-1 b application as kukkuu mentioned. U might be one of the H1 consultants who came to US with the body shopping companies. Did u read the news of amazon employees living on food stamps ?
      a )1-B holder
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Amazon $26agyhh
    First clear the backlog by giving green cards to people who have been paying taxes diligently, following the rules and have a US degree. This should apply to all whose I-140 has been pending for more than last 5 years. That way these folks will not have to keep renewing H1 or do H1 transfer. That reduces backlog and workload.
    Sep 14, 2018 6
    • Amazon $26agyhh
      My question back is how do you determine merit. US degree? I have mentioned it above. If you want patents and PHD you have EB1 for it. That’s clearly not the issue here.

      In the quest to weed out abusers is that there is No clear guideline and could cause collateral damage for genuine cases. So my proposal is clear and it will encourage folks to come here if the GC wait time is not more than 5 years. H1b backlog is associated with GC backlog. It’s a vicious cycle here.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      That sir is a brilliant question... Merit is not just education, not just language skills not just publications. What I'm saying is that merit cannot and should not be measured in a single dimension. We have brilliant minds here who can figure out what a successful immigrant should look like, and then what are the attributes of the immigrations who fit the definition, use it as a template to bring more people like that in. Also the objective definition of a successful immigrant can vary based on need, so you could have many such templates. Or if this is too complex let the market decide what attributes are in demand. This by no means is a solution but at least you are better off than a first abuse first serve situation by asking the right questions
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Amazon $26agyhh
      Defining merit is not easy. Templates may work but letting market decide will again lead to bias and internal conflicts between companies.

      What you are suggesting will need overhaul of the entire legal immigration system which is not happening for a decade given the congress approvals rate.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      I think you are right it not being easy, but honestly anyone can do easy, what would make America great again is tackling these difficult problems head on.
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Facebook coffee?
      I’m not sure why $26agyhh has such a hard time agreeing that “first abuse first serve basis” is the worst possible thing to do.
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Amazon ofrhz
    Why not just relax the h1b visa requirements and increase the number of visas? I can’t be the only one overworked around here because my team can’t meet our headcount requirements since none of the interview candidates meet the bar
    Sep 14, 2018 2
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      I don't think that will deter abusers, infact it might promote it. I like the new policy changes USCIS is doing from the intention perspective, but they are not very smart at it, the abusers are easily outsmarting them
      Sep 14, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      leetco

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Intern
      leetcomore
      Not enough return new grads?
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Cisco / Eng gXTD22
    Cisco just got busted hiring h1b's instead of us citizens and paying them less. Go look up the article.
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      See again, H1B employee/ visa gets the blame for an organization that chooses to abuse it because the lawmakers blame the H1B but do nothing to eliminate the flaws with the H1B law/ policy
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Intel PSOsGhost
    There will always be more to do. Learn to mange your work load. And tighten up h1b all around. Getting old seeing not just one but a second high tech job have to be found for some h1b holders spouse
    Sep 14, 2018 0
  • New / Other
    Cableguy

    New Other

    PRE
    GfK
    Cableguymore
    Because USCIS is heavily heavily understaffed...True story dudes.
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      So there's skills shortage in USCIS?
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Amazon $26agyhh
    Convince congress and USCIS to not do easy stuff and MAGA! Ranting it out here is not going to help. Be the change.
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • LexisNexis taxis
      OP
      Any kind of policy meddling is looked down upon if you are an immigrant
      Sep 16, 2018
  • New / IT
    5’3 Indian

    New IT

    PRE
    Google
    BIO
    Just a guy from Kansas
    5’3 Indianmore
    Same Sploiters different Ponzie Scheme. There is a reason America is winning. Grit.
    Sep 14, 2018 0