Already signed an offer, questioning my decision

Nov 30, 2018 24 Comments

TLDR: would you pick thoughtspot or Microsoft? Which do you believe will help me develop as an engineer/pay more? Can I get out of an offer I already signed?


Long story short, I signed Microsoft in SF because I felt like I could learn a lot working from a smaller office in a big company for the cloud & AI group. I felt like it’s a better financial opportunity. And I felt like I’d learn a lot working for cloud & AI in a company that’s starting to focus a lot more on that.

However, now I’m considering ThoughtSpot (a unicorn startup). I believe it’ll be a better financial opportunity and allow me to develop skills across a large technical stack very quickly. Thoughtspot does a lot of cool stuff and working at a startup I think will give me the opportunity to learn a lot about that cool stuff (particularly NLP). And given the company IPOs I’ll be making much more $$$ than Microsoft.

What do I do?

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TOP 24 Comments
  • Take Microsoft. Thoughtspot is shit.
    Nov 30, 2018 2
    • OP
      I’m leaning towards Microsoft, but what makes you say thoughtspot is shit?
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Worked at a competitor in the past. The entire space is kinda shitty.
      Nov 30, 2018
  • PeerStreet / Other
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    Why would you take thoughtspot over Microsoft, lmao this isn’t even a real debate.

    Now if you were talking about Airbnb over Microsoft that would be an actual decision.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Design 206wrkr
    Get the big company experience, to run at scale, then GTFO.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Stitch Fix Stitched
    Microsoft. It isn't what it used to be. They will lead the cloud market in a few years, you'd want to be there.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft
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    I was in a similar situation with a startup about 2 years ago and don’t regret my decision to go to Microsoft one bit. In my ive made more at Microsoft and the entire difference in comp came from stocks. Most startups won’t give more stock than Microsoft even if you can eventually sell it, but your situation might be different.

    One of the big differences between Microsoft and many startups is career growth. Will you be getting consistent raises, bonuses, and promotions on a yearly cycle? At Microsoft yes, at some startups no. And that’s an important part of compensation.

    On the other hand big companies like Microsoft will still be around in 2, 5, 10 years if you do choose the startup. So if the work is more interesting and the comp is better it could be a good choice.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft F12Gh
    Signing an offer isn’t a contract just decline if you want to go elsewhere. Might be a good idea to get another offer before dropping the first one though.

    We can’t tell you which option is better for your life goals.
    Nov 30, 2018 2
    • OP
      Do you know how it is to work part of the cloud & AI group for SF office in terms of working on interesting material that will help me develop marketable skills and learn as much as I can
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Microsoft F12Gh
      I’d pick the MS job because thoughtspot seems like just another reporting company and MS has tons of opportunity and movement if needed.

      A lot of these ML jobs are just being on a data team creating reports. Not all these companies are fully employing ML in the innovative ways that they imply.
      Nov 30, 2018
  • Nutanix monk420
    Never heard of ThoughtSpot, but somehow the name doesn't give the best impression (a bit tacky maybe, probably lot of BS) :P

    I know how unreasonable I sound.
    Nov 30, 2018 2
    • OP
      Turns out Ajeet Singh, a cofounder of nutanix is also a cofounder of thoughtspot. Do you have any thoughts on him as a co founder?
      Nov 30, 2018
    • Nutanix monk420
      Oh now I see why I felt that way. It sounded very 90s name and kind of explains now why. I have heard of this company. One of Nutanix executive left to be it's CEO.

      Anyway, I joined long after he left and left Nutanix a while ago. And during my time, I never heard much about Ajeet or ThoughtSpot from my colleagues. Mostly, heard about Cohesity and Mohit, probably because ThoughtSpot is quite different business, and Mohit had written like huge amount of codebase which was beautiful and awesome.

      Anyway, I'm not much of a believer in either Nutanix, ThoughtSpot or Cohesity. Not that they don't have smart people or anything. Sure they will make money and be successful, it's just the product I don't feel strongly about. I don't like enterprise software. You probably shouldnt take my advice, if any of this was an advice.
      Nov 30, 2018
  • Bird in Hand.
    Also, put TL;DR at the top, not at the bottom. It’s already too late by then.
    Nov 30, 2018 1
    • OP
      Thanks for the heads up!
      Nov 30, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Other ZerotoIPO
    So what happened eventually?
    May 14 0
  • Microsoft gfba68
    Even if the company IPOs there's no guarantee you'll make more than at MSFT. Been there, done that.
    Feb 27 0
  • Microsoft cCex85
    Which company did you end up joining?
    Feb 27 0
  • New / IT rcafelanrd
    I think you have to ask yourself the “how long will it take question”. If you think the startup is a pot of gold, when are you getting your gold.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft gfba68
    Even if the company IPOs it's still not likely you'll make more than at MSFT, not with the way MSFT stock has been performing lately. And an IPO could be a long way off, if it ever comes. Financially, startups rarely make sense. Don't do it for money.
    Nov 30, 2018 0
  • MuleSoft Damndaniel
    To be clear, THIS is reneging an offer!
    Nov 30, 2018 2
    • OP
      No it’s not I’m just asking about the possibilities given my current state. After everyone’s input however I have no plans on not working at Microsoft. Just wanted to see what my options were if I had any
      Nov 30, 2018
    • MuleSoft Damndaniel
      I meant IF you do NOT go with MSFT!
      Nov 30, 2018
  • Tableau Bru
    Go with Microsoft—the real world comp and benefits are grossly superior to startups. Glassdoor is your ally here. With startups, if you see lots of 5-star reviews written on the same day or within the same week... if you see no meaningful details except in the critical reviews... then it’s a sign the startup pads their own reviews because their management and ethics culture is toxic and they need to hide it by pressuring employees to go write glowing reviews and “like” each other’s 5-star reviews regardless of the substance. If ThoughtSpot ever goes public (and that could take years), you’ll have to wait 6 months to sell your options, and the market may cool after that initial IPO pop if the startup can’t build an impressive and sustainable revenue stream. Even if the startup’s options turn out to be worth 10-20x or more than the strike price received, you still may have come out ahead by working at Microsoft. They have a good 401(k) match; refreshers; bonus; HDHP account; commuter benefits; base comp and much more. Plus, Microsoft will be able to weather any economic downturn whereas a startup will slash headcount at the first signs of inclement financial weather.

    In the end, Microsoft builds a wide range of software products the world cannot live without and they have survived nearly 45 years of economic swings and have a diverse workforce with a respectful mix of men, women, and minorities from all walks of life. There’s precious little “startup bro culture” at Microsoft. Management and workforce diversity is the inoculation against bias, misogyny, homophobia, racism, transphobia, and classicism in the workplace, and Microsoft has a kind ethical culture going for it far and above most startups—hopefully you walked the halls of both operations during your interviews to see for yourself. On the other hand, startups are often the antithesis of these values, making themselves into a Petri dish of unchecked biases. ThoughtSpot was founded in 2012 and makes an analytics search engine that arguably has limited appeal or limited usability in challenging use cases, so it is difficult to see it having the career and comp legs of a larger company whose stack has broad appeal across every industry. (After you cut through the startup hype). Both options could be good, but I’d personally go with the one of known and reliable quantity and reputation: Microsoft.
    Dec 18, 2018 0

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