Am I insane to quit my 400k remote job?

May 23 352 Comments

Director at current company, managing a dozen of engineers. Due to stock appreciation, TC 400k. I only work 6 hr/day if not traveling. Mainly remote, in a low COL area. Travel is about once every other month.

I was happy until a recruiter reached out to me on LinkedIn. I went through the interview with FB, and they offered me 600k after a few rounds of negotiations, and placed me on a team in Seattle.

My gut feeling tells me it’s not worth it, but the difference is not trivial (130 diff post-tax) and I never had FANG on my resume.

What would you do?

Update based on questions in replies:
- I am in my early 30s, have 1 kid and plan to have more.
- I was offered M1 (E6) position, and the team owns a critical product feature.
- I don’t have allies at VP level, so don’t expect fast growth in either current company or FANG.
- out of 400k, 100k is due to appreciation.

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TOP 352 Comments
  • Amazon mhwn82
    130k is not worth working 15 hours a day. You won't even feel the difference in salary.
    May 23 22
    • Facebook / R&D
      macacos

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      macacosmore
      Even the most overworked people at FB I’ve seen don’t pass 50hr/wk on average.
      May 27
    • DemonWare / Eng checkedd
      @macacos if your data point is broad enough, then it would be a surprise. What I hear is more like 60 ish on average and over 80 during crunch time
      May 27
    • Facebook / R&D
      macacos

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      macacosmore
      Sure, small sample, but I’m in Seattle which is OP target office. 60+hrs is brutal.
      May 28
    • Facebook chromeo
      15 hours a day??? 🤣🤣🤣
      May 28
    • Facebook VHwj68
      I would say on average most people do 40-45hr/wk at FB.....
      Jun 1
  • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
    If TC is your only reason to change then I think you should stay where you are. There are more important things in life than money. Do what makes you happy, and it sounds like you're happy with where you are now.

    I learned that lesson when we had our first kid. I also work remotely. I was working crazy hours, but each night I would take 6-8pm to spend time with him, then I'd go back to work.

    One day I turned around and saw him doing something new developmentally. I realized that I was working 10 feet from him but in my current path I wouldn't know him.

    I was in negotiations with FB at the time, and my TC would have jumped by about 100k. But I knew I'd have to keep working the crazy hours if I moved there.

    So I said fuck it. Family is more important than $$. I told my manager at Microsoft that I was cutting my hours to 50-60 per week. He didn't like it, but I didn't care.

    I have 0 regrets about my decision. Every evening I take a couple of hours to really play with my wife and kid. We go for walks, I'm able to give him his bath and read his books at bedtime and tuck him in.

    I meant what I said about no regrets. 0. None. Period. Family life is much more important than an extra 100k a year.

    I just consider myself blessed that I have enough TC now to make that decision. Most people in America can't do that.

    So do what makes you happy man. If an extra 200k will do it for you then take the job. If not, be grateful that you're making much more than most people in America do, and stay where you're at 🙂.

    OK, that's the end of my lecture lol.
    May 23 13
    • Microsoft <<>>
      I would fire my reports who work 60 hours per week. These are not good employees; they are incompetent, inefficient, and having trouble to manage their time and prioritize their deliverables.

      I promote those who deliver results while working normal hours (40 to 45 hours per week)
      May 27
    • Mixpanel OeVh00
      I can never understand who are these people in tech that work 60 hour weeks. Like wtf do you guys even do?
      In my most demanding jobs there might have been couple of weeks that were like this but not the norm
      May 27
    • Google aiqqu
      Wondering if this is a troll post due to that one piece
      May 27
    • Facebook / Eng gisret
      Bsjdo it's a problem because 1) it's unsustainable and people will burn out 2) by peer pressure it will create bad team culture and others will leave the team, and no one will want to join if rumor is that my team is bad for wlb
      May 27
    • New / Design Yesterday-
      Fuck that. I’m working maybe 40 hrs a week... I don’t get paid more or less.

      Why kill myself when my hustle doesn’t get me anymore money but only my company?

      Hustle for yourself not others.
      May 27
  • Twitter hodgesodge
    What do you value in life?
    May 23 4
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

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      baldnshortmore
      Being alive.
      May 27
    • Microsoft / Eng bebK16
      To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!
      May 27
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      Wow, Conan the Barbarian. It’s been decades since I last heard that quote.
      May 27
    • Facebook deus
      The original genghiz khan quote involved more than just hearing lamentations from the women...
      May 29
  • Amazon ¥£€
    You can always make money but you can never get time back. Life is not about who can make it to the finish line with the most money. It is about living the journey to the fullest. If you are comfortable and have a good work life balance than keep it. The time you spend with your family will hold higher value than the extra money you make moving to the new job. There will always be FAANG companies to move to later. But remember moving to this type of company comes with a heavy price! Happiness comes from a balance. Work to build your relationships at your current company. If you don’t have strong allies at VP level you will get eaten alive at a FAANG. Honestly, it appears you still have a lot to learn in your current position. Use this time and situation as your growth opportunity. You will be further ahead in the long run.
    May 27 3
    • This is the best answer!
      May 27
    • Salesforce nocturn
      This!!
      May 27
    • Zscaler SkbF56
      You nailed it!! 👏🏻
      May 27
  • Facebook onmyway🍾🎉
    The only constant is change. You are not going to have this job forever, and when it’s time to move on you may not find anything else worthwhile. Also staying at a chill job for too long can diminish your prospects. I would say consider if this job is the next step for your career- we would all like to chill in a great wlb job forever, but in our field that is not an option. Better to accept it sooner than have a rude awakening later in mid-life.
    May 27 6
    • Facebook onmyway🍾🎉
      If you read my comment carefully, TC is not mentioned anywhere. You could be making $1M and have no future prospects, i.e if you were to leave, you may have a hard time finding a job. It’s about growing and learning- once you stop doing that you are toast in this dynamic and competitive field.
      May 27
    • Adobe jjjx12
      Unless you earn enough to get out of it, which is why TC *should* be in your post.

      You don't need any prospects if you're set, which you can be on just a couple years with 400k in low cost of living. Facebook is the higher entropy move for sure.

      The field is also nowhere near as dynamic and competitive as your current company or selected literature leads you to believe
      May 27
    • Facebook onmyway🍾🎉
      Do you know what the cost of health insurance for old people in US is. How much an emergency medical bill could cost you out of nowhere. It’s very hard to retire in US before you get Medicare. And it’s not what my current employer would have me believe, I am actually leaving Fb. But ignorance is bliss and hopefully it all works out for you.
      May 27
    • T-Mobile / HR
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      Rattlermore
      Change is constant but that doesn't necessarily apply to one's career every time a new job with more money comes around. I f that we're the case, one could change jobs every year and that also has tremendous negative potential.

      But to your point, whether a job change is required or not, one must always continue learning - stretching - growing...preparing for the next step. But that doesn't mean the next step is always the job that pays more.
      May 27
    • Adobe jjjx12
      Your concern now is health insurance? Jesus Christ.

      I will admit that this could end up costing like $40,000 per year at the end, but tack on another year or two and he's got that covered.

      Worst case, OP retires to Costa Rica with a healthcare plan there if he can't get benefits from Starbucks in a pinch.
      May 27
  • Airbnb fanyad
    I make 600k and would give that up for a 400k remote job in a heartbeat
    May 27 3
    • LinkedIn mtndew💚
      how about both you and op trade jobs!
      May 27
    • Twilio lxKU38
      No you are not making 600k. You have paper money
      May 27
    • New thunda
      Chillax, his money is technically paper but you can’t treat Airbnb RSUs as a zero either lol. It’s probably most accurate to value it at near face value
      May 27
  • Amazon new_ew
    Money wise... Do you need the extra money?
    Career wise... Sure it would be nice to have FAANG on your resume in general, but how old are you? Would you wanna come back to the easier job you have right now?
    May 23 6
    • Amazon new_ew
      Classic silicon valley hag... "Everybody needs extra cash"
      May 23
    • Google / Eng nCaW33
      No way you're holding a software job at 80. Better to Max TC when you can
      May 23
    • OP
      If there were guarantee that I can get back to my current job, I would take FB opportunity and return to my current job after 4 years. It’s almost like a lottery to find a remote job that pays 400k.
      May 23
    • Amazon new_ew
      Doesn't sound like it's worth it then honestly.
      May 23
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

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      baldnshortmore
      Love the term "heart bit" 😃
      May 27
  • New / Eng
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    I'm a generalist soft eng who loves to work on hard tasks and open-source. I have experience in many domains (low-level, web, data science, security, etc.).
    IqEp57more
    Will you have the same growth opportunities at F?
    May 23 6
    • Microsoft SXFa341
      That was important to know before voting
      May 27
    • Salesforce holimoli
      Yup u should edit post to clarify
      May 27
    • Hulu ImUI66
      I voted stay but I would have voted leave had I known about the lack of opportunity for advancement. The yes vote said it’s a sweet spot but it’s not really that sweet if there’s no way to advance.
      May 27
    • Pure Storage meemeep
      Everyone's gonna stop advancing at some point. Is it that big of a deal?
      May 27
    • Hulu ImUI66
      @Pure it's not a big deal, but it sounds like OP actually does want to advance.
      May 27
  • LinkedIn ixBS46
    Can i have your current job if you quit?
    May 27 3
    • Amazon / Eng OlAl28
      😂
      May 27
    • Braintree BTGuy
      😀
      May 27
    • The Home Depot FPQk51
      Seriously.
      Jul 30
  • Nordstrom 420Nordie
    Interesting, you can make director and manage a bunch of engineers, but can't make your own mind up about a new job.....

    I smell bullshit
    May 27 2
    • Indeed ind00d
      I think he's made up his mind but just wants some validation
      May 27
    • Facebook / Eng SegTree
      @ind00d: Or she, potentially
      May 27
  • Arista Networks golmaal
    If you’re not anywhere close to retirement then your current opportunity might be at risk sometime in future so taking up the new role would ensure higher future proofing your career. My two cents.
    May 23 2
    • OP
      Not close to retirement, early 30s. I was lucky to join the current company at the right time, and it went public.
      May 23
    • Arista Networks golmaal
      So a lot of your total compensation is in stock appreciation? If that’s the case will it last ?
      May 23
  • Artemis Health blindart
    At this point you should be in a position where money isn't the deciding factor. If you're not, then you should take a real hard look at your finances until it is. I only make 140, and at this point the money isn't the problem, its whether or not the work matters and is fulfilling to me (working on healthcare now because it's where I feel like I can make a difference).

    As corny as it is, a justin bieber song has been my best advice for a long time now: the grass isn't greener on the other side, its green where you water it. I'd be willing to bet that if the money really does matter to you, and you approached the board/VPs and asked what they would need for you to be worth 600k, they should have some pretty clear things you can accomplish to that end.
    May 27 0
  • Pinterest hKDg44
    Despite how much as everyone likes to talk about TC here, all the research shows that this salary change would have no impact on your happiness

    On the other hand, feeling wealthy in *time* does impact happiness. Or if you want to work in that city or on that project or with that team, that's cool too
    May 27 1
    • Microsoft / Eng WFiz70
      I agree with this. At this level of TC, when do we start to realize that our time becomes way more valuable than dollars? You can't put a price on freedom of location either, IMO. The low cost of living amplifies the value of that 400k by quite a large amount.
      May 27
  • New / Eng PzdY38
    400k for a remote job with 6hours/day is actually a dream many would kill for. You are probably the top dog at your current position and probably no one can fire you. But at FB, if you don’t perform well, you’re be banished. You said your company stock is appreciating that led to 400k. Is there more room for it to growth? Your TC may grow more at the current pos. But mainly come down to happiness and family balance if you have a family. If you plan to jump, at least some how keep a connection at your current pos for possible return! If you’re single, you can try to jump and scratch that FANG itch 😀
    May 27 0
  • Facebook gluteus
    Stay. STAY. You have a dream job
    May 27 0
  • Synopsys pl449
    Do you need a bigger yacht or something? (Humor)

    You are well past the comfortable living line. More money now will have diminishing returns on happiness. At this point time is way more valuable.
    May 27 0
  • Honeywell wellHoney
    Two things to consider.

    1) Seattle is not a low COL. therefore is the difference in pay really a difference in pay?
    2) Your career growth will probably be much better long term jumping into FAANG. As previous comment suggests, are you close to retirement age? Do you have job security? Director is already pretty good even for a smaller company. Depends on your ambitions.
    May 23 1
    • OP
      job security may be 2-3 years, beyond that nobody knows.
      May 23
  • New jBYd31
    If you leave, you're dumb. You're trading an amazing lifestyle and financial situation to work for a big company? You'll regret it if you do it.
    May 27 0
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    Stay.
    FANG is not worth it, especially with your setup. It will drain the life out of you.
    May 27 0
  • Uber sbzubu46
    Wow. This confirms what I think of "execs" in tech companies. They act all high and mighty and smarter than everyone else but the reality is that this is all talk. To be perfectly honest I dont know if they can do my job as an ic while I am almost certain I can do their job. Hard skills are hard to attain. Soft skills are somewhat arguable value in a tech company since all decisions are extremely data driven.
    May 27 3
    • New / Eng
      🔥HODL🔥

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      I'm a generalist soft eng who loves to work on hard tasks and open-source. I have experience in many domains (low-level, web, data science, security, etc.).
      🔥HODL🔥more
      Well that sucks, was it during a recession or bubble pop by any chance?
      May 27
    • Microsoft HdnF84
      A person who knows how will always have a job, the person who understands why will always be the boss.
      May 28
    • Auth0 / Eng Firaxis
      Anyone else can see why he/she is still an IC while others are execs?
      May 29