Amazon -> Apple

Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
Sep 7, 2018 51 Comments

Got an offer from Apple today. Base of $170k, Sign on - $75k and RSUs worth $300k.

Currently SDE 2 at AWS in my third year, TC -> 220k (mostly due to stock appreciation) with a base of $135k.
Moving to a SDE3 position in 5-6 months. Is it advisable to move to Apple (IC3 position)? The money they’re offering is too much to refuse. This is for the Siri org.

PS: my current team is awesome and my manager is great at AWS. But Amazon is the only company I’ve worked for after I graduated. Also, I’m 25.

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  • Apple m6g€
    Do it. Just make sure it’s not IS&T.
    Sep 7, 2018 7
    • Apple m6g€
      That’s what we call golden chains. But yes it’s stressful very siloed place to be. Do buckle up.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      More stressful than AWS? Lol
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Apple m6g€
      Yes, you can count on it and it’s more siloed.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      Damn. I’m starting to reconsider it now.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      walsher

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Intuit
      walshermore
      Siri is awesome place to be. I moved from coreos to Siri and realized its a whole new ball game here. The money is much more. Initially due to internal transfer didn’t have any raise, but boy my first year was amazing! Although still waiting on perf review, but there were some mid year awards.
      Its more work for sure. But hey, it’s worth it.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Microsoft homer
    Is it Seattle or bay? I agree they are very aggressive in hiring for Siri org. I’m joining soon as ICT4. they beat my other FAANG offers by a very large margin.
    Sep 8, 2018 8
    • Apple vmvpd
      Wow that’s a huge offer. 250 and 800k RSU?
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Microsoft homer
      I’m not detailing the breakdown for the sake of anonymity, but you are close enough.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Apple vmvpd
      Damn. Maybe I should quit and get an offer at Siri. :D You are probably going to average 120-150k as refreshers too so this is a very very good offer. Congrats.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Microsoft homer
      Thanks!! 120-150 is pretty comparable to FB/G Level 5 refresh. FB offered 700k RSUs for E5 and their recruiter was trying to convince me that they are better than Apple due to their high refresher.
      Sep 10, 2018
    • Apple vmvpd
      Ya also I don’t think you need to work as hard as FB to get the 130-140k refresher at Siri. Go for it! You can move in a year if you are bored.
      Sep 10, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Is the Apple offer also for Seattle? If possible, get promoted to SDE3 and then get an ICT4 offer for Siri with much higher comp.

    If u join, you’ll get very high RSU refreshers. You’re right about them being desperate for Siri to succeed.
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • Amazon @kfemks
      Siri fucking sucks. I’ll be talking about something that has nothing to do with Apple, Siri or anything close to it and she pops up and said I’m not sure what you’re asking. First off, stop listening, second, you suck ass!
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      The product sucks, but working on it doesn’t. Siri is the product in which Apple is investing the most. The org is expanding and there’s a lot of potential for career growth, plus great pay. Other orgs in Apple tend not to give out much RSUs in the initial offer, but Siri doesn’t hesitate to exceed competing offers from fb and G.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon @kfemks
      Fair enough. Making a sub par product as an engineer will still eat away at the ego, forget how much you make.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Idk, it’s nice that the stuff I am working on would actually end up in the hands of friends and family. That’s good feels. Not everyone cares about exactly the same non tangibles that you care about.
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Suckerb3rg
    How the hell are you making SDE3 at Amazon with 3 years of experience?
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • Amazon @kfemks
      They’re not. I know intimately the ranges and it’s a big time low
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Apple ejob100
    They will never offer 300k for ICT4. Please don’t spread lies
    Sep 8, 2018 4
    • Apple m6g€
      We do. 300k RSU is well within ICT4 range.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Apple Roamerg
      300k is a great ict4 offer.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      I got 300k for ICT3
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Microsoft homer
      Lol!! it’s not a lie. They offer close to 3 times that amount at ICT4.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Apple m6g€
    look on the bright side, we don’t have that stupid stack ranking crap.
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • Amazon @kfemks
      Neither do we
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon Hd57ff$@
      Yes we do, we brought it back with a new name. TT/HV/LE
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      It's not a stack rank as long as it doesn't require certain percentages at each rank. Some orgs do that, but it's not a policy.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Amazon Abgnas
      We don’t do stack ranking, we just do something that is exactly stack ranking, but we do it under the table, and it’s up to individual empires to manage with no oversight. Don’t you see the difference OP?
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Apple rDvg11
    If you can get promoted to SDE3 in half an year, stay at amazon.
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      At the end the recruiter just sees how many years of work ex I have. And I still won’t have 10 years of work ex to get to ICT4 level.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      If you have Senior on your resume, you should be getting Senior interviews. You may get down leveled if you don't kill the systems design, but you should be interviewing at your current level.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Intel leaveit
    That's insane offer for 2 yoe ... they must have really loved you
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      They seemed a bit desperate. I think they really want Siri to work out and are on a hiring frenzy.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Intel leaveit
      Nice .. which role? M gonna give a try as well 😛
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Microsoft Gottago
    Hmm that’s insane money. I have 4yoe they just offered tc 270k, not Siri but another ai group, should i push for more?
    Sep 7, 2018 1
  • Amazon Chillin😎
    Wait till stock goes up to $3k, and your amazon TC will trump it
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • You’ll like the Siri org, and 2-3 yoe is a good time to take the Silicon Valley raise.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Google Freeb
    Why not wait for promotion?
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      Will not make that much even after promotion at Amazon.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng $name
      SDE3 promo at 2.5/3yrs XP, sounds sketchy. Either you are a fucking genius or this is BS.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng jeffbezosZ
      OP
      Lol, I work my ass off and have launched a service (lead a team) which has high usage.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon BarUser
      Agreed. Sounds impossibly fast. You don’t know what you don’t know, but your promo doc will reveal. Don’t trust that you’re that close!
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Tesla Tesla.
    Stay at amazon. You haven’t been there that long. They are doing more interesting things too.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Amazon @kfemks
    300k shares?! That’s wayyyy too low considering the performance
    Sep 7, 2018 0