Engineering

Amazon , pip and other tragedies

AmazonKLwJ77
Dec 18, 2017

I have been put on pip and 2 -3 weeks into it I experienced a family crisis. This affected me personally and mentally. My pip is not extended and in addition, I took some time off to deal with the situation. I lost enough time and I am fairly certain that i will not be able to finish the project as i was given ridiculously less time to begin with. I am not asking for any advice(ya, look for another job etc), I am just here to say this is possible and it sucks !

Managers and hrs, please show some empathy and be reasonable. I know your job requirements dictate you to protect amazon's interests no matter what, but this is not fair.

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  • Life is neither foul nor fair. It just is.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Zillow GrouphYtJ18
    That's harsh. Sorry it's happening to you, OP.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Qualtrics / Eng
    NotPCMan

    QualtricsEng

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    Microsoft
    NotPCManmore
    No one is ever supposed to finish a PIP. They’re designed for failure so you fail.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • PIP is a documentation process before you get fired. It’s essentially designed to protect the company.
    Start looking for a job immediatelly.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Google / EngHfgh
    Its not your fault, and don’t lose your confidence. I heard Amazon is doing down sizing which means lot of employees will be put on PIP.

    These PIPs are setup for failure so that they can fire you without giving severance package.

    Amazon sucks big time.
    Dec 18, 20173
    • Wells Fargoos93u
      This is ultra shitty! Fuck you Bezos!
      Dec 18, 2017
    • Cisco / EngMylady
      No, these PIPs are created to prevent wrongful termination suits. Severance package is unrelated to that and is company's good will in the states with at will employment.
      Dec 18, 2017
    • Facebook5MoreDays
      Severance package is how the company gets you to stay quiet after you leave. You usually have to sign a non disparagement agreement.
      Dec 19, 2017
  • SpotifyRLQy16
    Just resign. Life is too short to put up with such BS.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Wells FargobpiS06
    If it is a coding project, hire someone at RENTACODER to get it done discreetly while you take care of your personal matters.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Autodesk / MGMT
    Revit

    AutodeskMGMT

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    Yahoo
    Revitmore
    File a sexual harassment case or racial discrimination case .. You will lose your job eventually , but you might get 3-4 months of severance which will help you in these tough times..
    Dec 18, 20175
    • SpotifyRLQy16
      Please don't. It's unethical and can ruin the career if whoever you bring the case against. And it undermines real cases.
      Dec 18, 2017
    • SAP / EngJuliusCasr
      It is too risky. When you join any other company your employer will do background check and get to Amazon for feedback. Amazon hr will take the revenge. No one wants to hire a person who has filed a case against his employer.
      Dec 18, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      AmazonEng

      BIO
      Engineer at AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      This is a terrible idea, and you’re an asshole for recommending it. This hurts actual cases of sexual or racial discrimination.
      Dec 18, 2017
    • AmazonKLwJ77OP
      Holding grudges , complaining and making noise I am sure won't do much good. I am sure karma will take care of these people. I will get another job, a much better one than this. It's just that it is super frustrating especially given the holiday season and no one wants to interview.
      Dec 18, 2017
    • SAP / EngJuliusCasr
      I don't know much about Amazon. How much time do you get before you are fired in PIP?
      Dec 18, 2017
  • Amazon
    Benny Lava

    Amazon

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    Amazon
    Benny Lavamore
    Don't waste your time fighting it, focus on finding another job and loopholes to extend the process so you get more time.

    You probably should find a job that take a pay cut and focus on your family at the moment.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Take care of personal matters first. Let pip pop on it’s own. If you have to sign any papers just take it close to butt and sign with it and handover.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • MZJin
    Well, I’m sorry you’re in that situation. I was wondering though, I won’t be doing as high level of work but looking for connections—- I would love to work for amazon, and to get my foot in the door.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Pip generally means your job is RIP. Find another job
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Credit Karmagftb45
    Tough situation — focus on finding a new job, not finishing the PIP.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Amazon / Engfunkie
    After pip, if we go out, will amazon write details of pip in release letter or it's a normal release letter. also what will happen during background check. Please explain.
    Dec 18, 20173
    • Amazontits.ai
      If you failed the PIP instead of taking the payout via pivot, you will be fired for cause, and that will probably be in your letter. Tiny severance and they could contest unemployment (but probably wouldn't)
      Dec 18, 2017
    • Facebook5MoreDays
      That counts as fired for cause in WA? It doesn't in CA. "Performance" can mean anything the company wants, no one would pay unemployment if they could contest it that easily.
      Dec 19, 2017
    • Amazontits.ai
      I think in WA.
      Dec 19, 2017
  • AmazonKLwJ77OP
    I have no idea about what comes after pip . Ya, I have to focus on finding a new job. Christmas and new year are not making it easier.
    Dec 18, 20171
    • What comes after is this: you’re fired. See my other comment for some practical advice.
      Dec 18, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

    AmazonEng

    BIO
    Engineer at AWS
    Hooliganssmore
    Isn’t being put on PIP generally done on a historical performance basis? If it’s not just the manager being a dick, then look inward and see what caused you to be put on pip and correct it for whatever job you have next.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • LinkedInKnowItAlll
    I'm sorry to hear it's happening to you. As a manager who had to PIP someone in the past, all I'll say is that usually enough opportunities are given before putting someone on a pip. Only after there is enough evidence of not improving, PIP is involved. As such, you may feel that you have a short time, but the wheels may have been in motion for longer.
    Dec 18, 20170
  • PIP’s are always designed to be impossible. If you’re on track to complete it, they’ll find ways to make your life even harder. I’ve heard of cases where people’s requests for VM’s/containers to host their service were not approved or needlessly delayed, resulting in them obviously not achieving the goals of their PIP.

    If it becomes clear that you are on track to complete your tasks, your manager will not act in good faith when it comes to giving you the resources and/or help you need to complete your tasks. Yes, they might feed you some bullshit about how your manager wants you to be successful, but don’t believe that for a second.

    This sort of thing is also why I tell people to never feel bad about reneging on an offer, and to never feel bad about switching to a different job offering better pay even if they only recently joined their current job, etc.

    So: middle finger to your current job. Don’t waste your time there. Quit right now (or immediately after the winter break) with your head held high and use the time to prepare for interviews - you’ll likely feel far less stressed. Use a platform like Hired to get interviews, get on there ASAP. You’re obviously smart enough to get another job as long as you prepare (use LeetCode or whatever other resource is cool these days).
    Dec 18, 20170
  • Amazon / PM
    Da3monais3

    AmazonPM

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    Abercrombie & Fitch
    BIO
    Viva la Resistance
    Da3monais3more
    Your Manager will protect you as long as they can but if you get a PIP they probably don’t like you. Run Forest, run
    Dec 18, 20170
  • If managers and “HRs” be reasonable about the amount of time they give, people might pass the PIP. They don’t want that to happen. They want to kick you out.

    Quit with your head held high and take the stress out of your life.
    Dec 18, 20170
    • Oraclel769als7
      Article is telling about putting on pip top performers. What’s the point? Fresh blood?
      Dec 19, 2017
  • Microsoftnand
    Go to the other side of the lake buddy. They're humane!
    Dec 18, 20171
  • LinkedIn
    gaijin1

    LinkedIn

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    Amazon, Microsoft
    gaijin1more
    There are a fair amount of better ( and less smug) companies out there. Get out of prison - resign
    Dec 19, 20170
  • Deutsche BankLPeJ52
    Take medical leave - look up FMLA. Thank me lat r
    Dec 19, 20170
  • AmazonKLwJ77OP
    Update : Got another job. Thanks ppl !
    Dec 21, 20174
    • Autodesk / MGMT
      A Raja

      AutodeskMGMT

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      Amadeus, Jabil
      A Rajamore
      👍🏻
      Dec 21, 2017
    • WELL DONE! Enjoy your well-deserved break.
      Dec 21, 2017
    • Capital OneVRqA34
      How was the process of finding your new job?
      Jan 5
    • AmazonKLwJ77OP
      Very tiring . The startups had a higher bar than google.
      Jan 5

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