Amazon L7 expectations

Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
Feb 15, 2018 22 Comments

I see a listing for what I can discern is an L7 spot with Amazon. It says it wants 7 years experience, but that seems low. I've taken several solutions to market, and lead development and operations teams.

What is the actual expectation for an L7? I see posts saying it's two steps removed from CEO like roles, but 7 years seems low for that kind of role.

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  • Apple / Eng
    Skeletor ☠

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    Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
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    If you are asking these kind of questions you are not level 7 - if you are an engineer, then at best you will come in as level 5 from non Fang.
    Feb 15, 2018 11
    • Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
      OP
      Nowhere did I say I have 7 years experience. I quoted the job description. I have nearly a decade leading product teams. Another decade working on and/or leading operations teams. So how does 20 years stack up in your framework?
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Skeletor ☠

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      Clayton Bigsby , y’all !!
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      Doesn’t mean much man - depends on what kind of work you were doing . For someone with 20 years of experience you should know that number of years doesn’t matter ( one year of experience 20 times , yada, yada ). There is a huge difference for amazon between somebody who has say 10 years of experience dealing with supply chain work at Walmart vs somebody with 20 years experience as a consultant to some say hospital working on migrating their health care records or some such stuff. The more people try to pull seniority shit the more they are discounted. Real results matter not vacuous verbiage. But I don’t know , Amazon might think you are hot shit .. 🤷‍♂️
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Microsoft fYPm64
      They say 7 years because if they say 15 and like someone with 12 years they can't hire them due to fair hiring practice laws. That's all
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
      OP
      Totally agree about quality over quantity. The reason I brought up the 7+ is because unless you were truly leading a startup I wouldn't expect anyone with 7 years in a product role to really have the knowledge or insight I would expect from someone at the levels I mentioned. To ask for so little at a senior level makes the job req harder to read and correlate to work external to their structure. @fypm64's answer makes some sense, but 7 still seems like a low bar to draw to your point of 7 years being an L5.
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Wow!!!
      L7 is a Sr Manager and Director is L8. Can't believe you guys fighting over such information which is available by a simple Search in blind or anywhere else in internet.
      Feb 15, 2018
  • Amazon total19
    Depending on the role, some L7s have over 50 people under him, and some have none. It’s hard to generalise, L7s mostly own a whole operation/domain where everyone in the company would treat him as the subject matter expert. I guess it’s equivalent to a position of ‘Head of xxx’. The few recent L7s I know have been VPs, for over 5 years, from smaller companies like VMware, HPE, Juniper etc
    Feb 15, 2018 1
    • Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
      OP
      Thanks!
      Feb 15, 2018
  • Amazon
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    7 years of experience is L5 or L6
    Feb 15, 2018 3
    • Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
      OP
      Ok. So the 7+ on the job description is a "don't even consider it if your at this line." Got it. Call it 10 and I'm still close, but senior manager of product seems like a leader of PMs. Do they generally work across verticals on the same product? Are they industry aligned and an expert on getting teams to apply said product in an industry?

      I've worked in a few different industries leading teams across many differing types of tech. Are they looking for a specialist or generalist?
      Feb 15, 2018
    • Amazon dditys
      An L7 PM role is actually very senior. But PM is a weird role at Amazon. Role is generic as hell. I've seen PMs do rote operations work at L6 as well as PMs who pretty much call vision (well heard of. I haven't actually seen ones of those in person).

      L7 PMs I've seen have either been at amazon around a decade plus or have twenty years of experience outside of it at major orgs that have decent reputations.

      L7 generally means you have to have impact on the entire org as a whole. I have never met a specialist L7. Though James Gosling can be considered a "specialist" L10.

      For reference, L7 SDEs are principal engineers. L7 SDMs generally manage 30+ SDEs.

      I have no idea what industry aligned means.
      Feb 16, 2018
    • Deloitte / Other Ajgr34
      OP
      That's great info. Thanks! Industry aligned might be something like AWS leading design and development for healthcare while another group does it for high tech etc.
      Feb 16, 2018
  • General Motors / Product Ambitious
    What is a good L7 comp package?
    Mar 9, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Product
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      Tree fiddy
      Mar 9, 2018
  • New Mkqas1
    Is any posting that asks for 7 years a L6 and 5 years. L5.?
    Feb 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product
    Hbfhnjj

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    PM me the JD and I can help you decipher.
    Feb 15, 2018 0

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