Amazon Offer Rescinded for Negotiating

Feb 23 56 Comments

I recently went through the Amazon AWS hiring process for an L6 non-technical position. The feedback I received was that everyone was so impressed with me and excited to have me join the team. I received an offer and started the negotiation process. I received an initial offer email from the recruiter and then scheduled a call to go over the offer. I spoke to the recruiter for less than 20 minutes, talking about my value, discussing the TC and I asked a few other questions about travel and general HR questions. I have 20 years experience so I've negotiated before. I expressed gratitude for the offer and was not demanding or unprofessional at all, just normal conversation. She said she was going to talk to the hiring manager to see what they could do to increase the offer. I got a call two days later that the offer was rescinded with no reason given. I'm a woman, I have no idea if that had anything to do with it but it's the strangest thing I have ever experienced. Offer rescinded for trying to negotiate and asking normal HR questions?

I'm sure I dogged a bullet, but is this normal? I find this whole situation so bizarre, I can't even wrap my brain around it. As a future employee, I thought HR was there to make me feel comfortable about my decision and help me through the hiring process. Guess that is not how it works at Amazon.

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TOP 56 Comments
  • Oracle k-9
    I think one should only negotiate when you have multiple offers
    Feb 23 5
    • Amazon meowwww
      Negotiation is a normal part of hiring. Women in particular are compensated less due to not negotiating as aggressively as men. This is really unfortunate behavior that Amazon has exhibited.
      Feb 23
    • Command Alkon 2019
      Yeah... Kind of f'd up that they just we're like.... Good talk... Goodbye...
      Feb 23
    • Microsoft bYJjOps
      Disagree. I’ve negotiated with no competing offers with success. Just be willing to walk.
      Feb 23
    • Mode DvVM00
      nope. one should always, always negotiate
      Feb 24
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      Technically, if you're employed, you DO have multiple offers since your current job is a competing offer. Assuming you were interested in the position to begin with, you wouldn't negotiate if you were offered less (or only slightly more) than you're already getting?
      Feb 26
  • VMware yooooooolo
    Please don’t pull the woman card... please don’t
    Feb 23 5
    • eBay eday
      Exactly
      Feb 23
    • New naduruk
      That’s the joker. Why not ?!
      Feb 24
    • Uber / Design bromance
      It's pretty well known that women who negotiate are perceived as demanding and bitc*y where as men as seen as "good negotiators"
      Feb 24
    • VMware yooooooolo
      ^ Thats pretty stereotype don’t you think?
      Feb 24
    • Salesforce psiM71
      naduruk is precisely saying that that's the stereotype, y u so slow?
      Mar 1
  • Amazon amazons
    This is wild. I’ve never heard anything like it and I’m a BR and have hired dozens of people at Amazon. The only thing I can think of is either the position was filled by an internal transfer or for some reason it was eliminated. I’m pretty confident no team at Amazon would be so petty to rescind an offer because the candidate tried to negotiate. So I’d assume poor luck and bad timing. Not sure why the recruiter didn’t reveal the reason or try to help find you another home within aws - that’s their job.

    Are you still interested in working with Amazon? There are plenty of us who would be happy to help you find another role if this particular recruiter is not helping.
    Feb 23 3
    • Microsoft
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      Happened to me a couple years ago at amazon too. Very weird but I suppose I dodged a bullet with that team anyway
      Feb 23
    • OP
      Thank you so much. I know a lot of your success at Amazon relies on your manager, would I be subjected to backlash if I were to have to work with them? I guess that would be my fear, but i wouldn't be completely opposed to it.
      Feb 23
    • Amazon Cynimist
      If you find a gig with a different team and group nobody will give a rats ass about one nasty AWS manager who rescinded your offer and you likely wont have to interface with that person. Amazon is a big place - pretty easy to avoid a few crappy people here if you want to.
      Feb 24
  • New Kula
    Really unfortunate. My guess is that they might have had multiple candidates and they went with somebody else who agreed to go for a lower TC. It’s indeed very petty.

    Other alternative is that the recruiter portrayed the communication with you in a bad light
    Feb 23 0
  • Airbnb treding
    I’m not convinced it’s because of the negotiation. It could be that another candidate interviewed just after you, and they liked them better.

    Regardless this doesn’t sound like a good hiring manager to work for.
    Feb 23 0
  • LinkedIn bimbambam
    “talking about my value” - your problem right here, a little narcissistic. Plus, this is Amazon, employees have no value. (The real reason is most likely: they had other candidates lined up, and they decided on one while you were enjoying negotiations and before you are done with it.)
    Feb 23 1
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Yea, you don’t need to mention the value etc. Just tell them what you expect in terms of TC and let your interview performance/resume determine the value.
      Feb 23
  • Google QCNY71
    Also Amazon flew me from SF to NYC for interviews; however majority of the team were at a meeting in Seattle, so we did the interviews over video. The lunch interviewer asked me if I planned to live with a rommate if I moved to NYC (this was a senior cloud position working with investment banks and I was >30). The whole experience was crazy and I let them know I wasnt interested in moving forward.
    Feb 24 0
  • VMware cittvvv
    My experience with AWS recruiters has been aweful as well.
    Feels like they are the worst in all of tier 1-3 companies I had worked with
    Feb 23 0
  • New Kula
    OP maybe you should respectfully ask the recruiter for a conversation and perhaps ask if you could speak to the Hiring Manager
    Feb 23 1
    • OP
      I did ask and she said the decision was final. I was trying to wrap my head around it and was pretty much shocked. I know they didn't have any other candidates because they essentially told me they had been looking for this particular position for almost a year.
      Feb 23
  • New / Mgmt VSwf01
    This thread is meaningless without the numbers.
    Feb 23 0
  • What was the offer and how much did you ask for ? FYI I got a L5 offer and it wasn’t at par with the blind offers so I asked them to put me in for L6 interviews and the recruiter pushed back . Eventually I got a call from another recruiter for L6 interview in a totally different team but I had already made my mind to not join by then. At that time
    I had about -10 yoe and my L5 offer was 250k TC after negotiations
    Feb 23 2
    • OP
      The offer was L6 under 210k Seattle although I would have been remote, 20 yoe. I asked for the higher range of the band, she told me what it was and that she might be able to get close. I was fine with that, but it never got that far.
      Feb 23
    • Amazon Cynimist
      The problem is, for a non tech role, 210k sounds pretty high, depending on exact role (product manager? program manager? recruiter?). But if she told you high end of range I guess what she said was probably legit.
      Feb 24
  • Oracle k-9
    Sorry to read about this
    Feb 23 1
    • Command Alkon 2019
      Yeah... Challenging authority never goes unpunished... Stupid...
      Feb 23
  • Google QCNY71
    You definitely dodged a bullet. I would be very concerned to hire someone who didnt negotiate.
    Feb 24 0
  • PayPal big nasty
    Sounds fishy. What did you ask for? Amazon is pretty strong with their offers, sounds like you overplayed your hand.
    Feb 23 0
  • Equifax
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    Mind sharing the numbers?
    Feb 23 0
  • Amazon meowwww
    Super shitty
    Feb 23 0
  • Square B78n987
    Can you just tell us what your ask was? it’s hard for us to gauge why this happened if you don’t tell us. then we can determine if they’re just jerks or not.
    Feb 24 4
    • OP
      My ask was to be at the higher range of the pay band. She told me what that would be and I was fine with as close as she could get. I was expecting her to come back and give a number based on discussions with the hiring manager, that is how we left the conversation. When she got back with me it was that the offer was rescinded. No reasons, nothing. She said the decision was final. I was in shock, I had an offer for almost a week so this was the last thing I expected.
      Feb 24
    • Merkle NKQn10
      It’s interesting she revealed the range. When I asked the same question of the range, she refused to share that information.
      Feb 24
    • Amazon meowwww
      Maybe the recruiter mis quoted the range and then told the HM what you wanted and saved face by reneging
      Feb 24
    • The Home Depot dytA68
      Seems like this ^^
      Feb 25
  • Microsoft cs75
    Of all FAANGM, Avoid Amazon
    Feb 24 1
  • Netflix vUhw26
    You dodged a bullet. Why would you want to work for that hairless turtle without a shell Jeff Bezos?
    Feb 25 0
  • Merkle NKQn10
    Was what you negotiated way over than what was on the initial offer? Like 10%, 50% or 100% more? Sometimes when what is being asked is way more than what is offered, hiring team might feel you will be unhappy with this pay so choose to let go.
    Feb 24 0