Amazon Or Google?

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Jun 12, 2018 36 Comments

8 yoe Bay Area

Amazon (AWS AI) high L5 TC : 300K
Google (GCP) T4 TC : 295K

I liked the technology/work of AWS team .

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  • Salesforce / Eng
    torqagent

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    Google is downleveling me 2 level while amazon is offering a promise to promote to L6 in 1 year .. should I believe them ? I am at L7 at Salesforce
    Jun 12, 2018 13
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      No Lead SE. L8 is PE and L9 is architect
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Amazon jGAb02
      NEGOTIATE right level. Promotions at Amazon are extremely difficult. don’t make the mistake of coming to Amazon a level down than your worth. You will definitely get frustrated
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Google jghyrh
      ... that being said, level is determined by the interview, not post offer negotiations.
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng xgIO00
      Slim chances that you will get to L6 in one year. I wouldn't trust
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      FNcu84

      Amazon Eng

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      I’d say go with Google. Consider the culture as well. I doubt the jump to L6 in a year. SDE3 is difficult to get. While L6 promotions are more in AWS, its probably 2 years. But there are exceptions as always.

      I know a friend who moved from L5 to L6 in a year and took another 5.5 years to Principal. But he works like crazy. A teammate threatened his way from L5 to L6 in 9 months. He argued that he was hired lower. Moreover the project he was in was in deep red so manager didn’t want to lose him. The project is still deep red, though.
      Jun 25, 2018
  • Two Sigma / Eng foobat
    Does the 295 include sign on bonus?
    Jun 12, 2018 4
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      Yes . 400K stock and 25K signon
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Two Sigma / Eng foobat
      That makes more sense.
      Jun 12, 2018
    • New / Eng
      lhJI60

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      25k is extremely low sign on. Sign is something you can definitely ask for at least 65k. Google is paying 100k sign on bonus and I know for a fact that Amazon gave 65k sign on bonus to a senior software engineer last week. I lost that candidate over a competitor company I work for.

      Remember the team at amazon and google has already liked you so recruiter is going to get you higher sign on to fill the position and meet his/her hiring quota. That's what we do.
      Jun 12, 2018
    • New / Eng
      lhJI60

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      I’m a technical recruiter in the bay and I have never seen any engineer get a sign on of 25k in last 6-9mobths..Market has changed. OP can easily get approval for 45-50k which is “average” among FB, Google, Amazon & Linkedin.

      Lastly, try to be respectful and humble on this forum. You don’t have to use F words.
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Toptal Abujwaik
    Of course google. You will get lot of bonuses, perks...
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng TCYOE-GTFO
      Note that Amazon will give you next to nothing in terms of annual bonuses or refreshers at least for the few initial years.
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

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    Considering Google gives refresher and bonus every year, this Google offer actually much more than the Amazon offer.
    Jun 12, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng lcaQ38
    Are you absolutely sure it’s a sde2 from aws? They are paying you like a sde3. No matter what they say you have to perform at L6 level to get promoted it looks like they think you are very strong but not enough for a sde3 . Try ask what’s specifics you are lacking for an sde3. The bottom line is you can’t trust their words, if they think you are an sde3 you should already get it. Can you get to sde3 within a year? Absolutely possible I have people hired as sde3, after two weeks his manager realizes he is seriously down leveled and arranged additional interview to get him to PE. So if you are confident that you will be performing like an sde3 within a year nothing stops you from getting there
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      This is great answer. I will ask what was lacking . I will ask them what level . They took my interview for L6/L7 but recruiter told over phone L5 I don’t know if she is telling it right or not . But I heard her saying the word “downleveled” due to some interview loop regarding leadership principles . I am currently performing a amazon L6 equivalent role (Lead SDE level 7) in Salesforce and I am pretty confident I can take care Amazon L6 responsibilities.
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Nvidia Hehaw
    What’s your final decision ?
    Aug 3, 2018 0
  • Google CPnv57
    Actually google T4 is higher than amazon L5, I switched from amazon to google a few years back, when I was L5 at amazon. I was offered l3 at google.
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon Foogle
    8 yoe gets SDE-2 at Amazon and L4 at Google
    For sure there are exceptions!
    Principal at Salesforce can very well be an exception!

    Usually external L6 hires at Amazon at people who have been In the industry for 10+ years!

    Pay is good for an SDE-2. I have seen it around 280k, you might have negotiated well for 300k!
    Also 185k is the max for any level in Bay area.

    I personally will take the Google offer if I were you!

    Any change Google can offer you L5?
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      I am not principal at Salesforce . L7 in Salesforce is lead and L8 is principal . Google says role non negotiable . I guess I have done poor job on behavioral questions BS
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Microsoft ninjaoo
    Is amazon offer in Seattle? Lot cheaper cost of living
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      Bay Area .. not yet planned to move out of Bay Area
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Amazon Bl33p
    Don’t believe the recruiter. Unless it is in writing that you will be raised one level and not just considered then it’s a lie.
    Jun 12, 2018 0
  • Google UBdG56
    If you’re at as high a level at salesforce why would you leave. Goog L6, Amazon L7 must be making ~400k to start? Make sure you’re getting more comp before leaving to different companies to get under leveled.
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      I am L7 which is lead SDE.. L8 is principal. Salesforce has inflated level with small TC .. they pay good base but not good in terms of stock and refreshes .
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng lcaQ38
    Why do you want to go from Principle mts to l5 l6? What’s your current tc?
    Jun 12, 2018 1
    • Salesforce / Eng
      torqagent

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      L7 in Salesforce is not principal . It’s one level below PE. Anyway Salesforce has a inflated title/level culture
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Salesforce / Eng
    torqagent

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    Any suggestions which one seems better ?
    Jun 12, 2018 0

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