Amazon PIP

Wayfair / Eng
rwxL47

Wayfair Eng

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Wayfair, Cognizant, Tech Mahindra
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software engineer
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Apr 26 19 Comments

Is it true that at Amazon the manager has to mandatorily PIP someone every review cycle even if the employee managed to do well?

I will soon be starting at AWS soon. I work at a relatively safe job. I was pretty happy about my offer when I first got it to enter the FAANGs, but I keep hearing these PIP stories and I am wondering if it is worth resigning my current job?

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TOP 19 Comments
  • Amazon BugDr01d
    No, it is not. It is actually pretty rare, regardless of all the blind posts that people are put on PIP unless there are serious performance concerns. The distribution each year is 5% LE (least effective), 70% HV (highly valued), and 20% TT (top tier)

    Of the 5% LE, only around around half of those are put onto development plans, as their manager likely did not document their lack of performance, give them feedback in their 1:1s, etc. This is how the process should be followed.
    Apr 26 5
    • Amazon AznGigolo
      The number didn't add up. Where's the rest of 5% people?
      Apr 26
    • New / Eng zzzzzz-ZZ
      @AznGigolo They quit before the review. So no data on their review
      Apr 26
    • New / Eng rksh
      That 5%is fired without pip. It's called pre-pip fire
      Apr 26
    • New wrcS08
      How long have you been their ? BugDr..
      Apr 27
    • Microsoft ISeeker
      This is troll 5% under director needs to be piped. Since no m1 wants to accept all in their team so essentially one from each team gets piped. Now if the team is part of old people they will target the new member since they don't want themselves to be targeted. It's just self implied. Stay away from Amazon.
      May 3
  • Amazon / Eng j$e$f$f
    It's also not 5% of every team. It's 5% of either a director or VP org. If you have an org of 100 people in pretty sure you can find 5 who aren't doing the best.....
    Apr 27 0
  • Wayfair / Eng
    rwxL47

    Wayfair Eng

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    Wayfair, Cognizant, Tech Mahindra
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    software engineer
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    What about new employees? They certainly won't be as productive as the ones who have been there for years. How are these new joiners measured?
    Apr 27 4
    • Amazon àbsj
      Amazon is very much sink or swim. Expect information withholding, incredibly old and irrelevant documentation and a general lack of mentorship.
      Apr 27
    • Oracle Dplaner
      The new ones make a big part of the 5% quota. New lambs to the slaughter 😝
      Apr 27
    • Amazon àbsj
      Honestly feel like Amazon is no place for new grads and should go the way of netlix in hiring only senior
      Apr 27
    • New / Eng QTdN03
      Holy 💩! I am so glad I canceled my Amazon onsite. I don’t want that kind of stress, and I’m usually a top 10% performer.
      Apr 27
  • Amazon SFdJ43
    Heard that dev list is mandatory.
    Apr 26 0
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    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      At MSFT this is probably not true for Senior and above. Only SDE 1 & 2's get fired based on performance.
      Apr 26
    • New / Eng QTdN03
      For the past several years, I’ve worked at small startups that do NOT do this. Every single person became an essential member of the team. I understand the numbers game for companies with thousands of employees, but it’s sad that they feel a need to assign X% to drop. It’s theoretically improbable, but possible that every single employee could perform equally exceptional.
      Apr 26
  • Microsoft ISeeker
    Yes 5% under director needs to be piped. Since no m1 wants to accept all in their team so essentially one from each team gets piped. Now if the team is part of old people they will target the new member since they don't want themselves to be targeted. It's just self implied. Stay away from Amazon.
    May 3 0
  • Amazon phdvi99
    Really depends on your manager. If your manager is weak and just try to cover his/her ass not care about team members then yes.
    Apr 27 0
  • New / Eng
    bumerang

    New Eng

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    bumerangmore
    How offtens is review?
    Apr 27 0
  • New / Eng QTdN03
    So...you are mandated to give the bottom X% dev plans? Even if everyone is performing well?
    Apr 26 0

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