Amazon Pivot

Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
May 8 29 Comments

Received Amazon Pivot yesterday. Was already interviewing within Amazon but final interview wasn’t done.
PIP plan cannot be complete in given time frame and my manager also agrees but senior leadership won’t budge.
Severance 21k.

On H1B visa

Suggestions?

At Amazon since Aug 2017

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TOP 29 Comments
  • Apple 🦄㊙️
    Your career in Amazon has ended. Move on and never look back. Try Microsoft
    May 8 0
  • Amazon SunnyWhale
    Since, you are on H1B you need to buy some time. So make an appeal and then if that does not go through work through your PIP. Severance wont help you a lot. Time is of essence considering you need time to prepare, interview, get offer and atleast wait for H1 transfer receipt.
    May 8 0
  • Amazon
    🍪cutter

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    Sorry to hear that husky. Did they not put you in dev list and gave you a formal dev plan. If not then have documented all the evidence to go for an appeal? I would say start looking outside and take severance and leave. PIP is not worth it.
    May 8 0
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    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Good suggestion
      May 17
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      What is PIVOT? Does it mean take severance and leave?
      May 17
    • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
      OP
      PIvot does mean take severance and leave
      May 17
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      How much is severance?
      May 17
  • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
    OP
    As per the feedback, I missed a deliverable which was assigned a month ago and was expected to finish in 3 weeks. While developing we identified certain gaps in our input which pushed the deadline another two weeks. And that was it. I don’t think I missed any other deadlines ever.
    FYI: 2 more people in my team are changing team and another employee was terminated last month as she kind of shouted on my managers manager for setting up unreasonable tasks and he would even ask her to work on weekends .
    Overall, I should have changed teams earlier but was kind of loyal to the team.
    This is in Supply chain operations
    May 9 1
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Are you SDE1? Seems like many SDE1's hired in 2017, who couldn't get to SDE2 in 2 years, are getting PIPed now.
      May 17
  • Amazon / Mgmt
    mClj86

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    people need truth for career decisions. Exclusivity and secrecy are toxic. Yet rules are ok and boundaries make us feel safe. The difference Is communication!!!
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    Take the money and run
    May 23 2
    • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
      OP
      Doing that.. last day today 😬
      May 23
    • LinkedIn fatLdySngs
      Good luck!!!
      Jun 15
  • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
    OP
    Also had a discussion with BPHR, she asked if I had concerns about this, gave a 20 min speech on concerns etc and she was like, good luck with your future. Little disappointed with Amazon.
    May 20 1
    • How long you are at Amazon? SDE1? What made you being in PIP?
      May 20
  • Amazon squak_01
    PM me i will tell you trick to extend and buy you time..
    May 20 1
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Please post here for us to know. Also buying time will reduce severance pay, right?
      May 20
  • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
    OP
    The PIP plan is unrealistic and I asked whether the performance on PIP would be evaluated at the end of the plan. They said no. If early deliverable are missed, they can end and terminate with the reduced severance.
    No option to appeal the pivot.
    There was no indication on the dev plan and I pushed my manager to tell if I was in, he won’t say if I was or not. I even asked the career ambassador, they said the same thing.

    At this point, the best option I have is to take full severance with 2 week notice period.
    May 9 1
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Severance is 2 months' salary?
      May 17
  • Microsoft / Eng bdjdk
    Just curious if this scenario is specific to some teams/orgs withing Amazon. Is it more in AWS and less in retail perhaps? Do you have to consistently miss the timelines to get on the list or even missing one deadline does that for you?
    May 9 3
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      10% are PIPed every year, no matter what.
      May 17
    • Amazon squak_01
      Devices.. that org sucks
      May 20
    • Amazon
      Maxter

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      Retail is worse. AWS is infact better
      May 23
  • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
    OP
    Had to choose to leave amazon with severance, would have failed pip and low severance and on top of that amazon could terminate you anytime within the pip timelines .
    May 17 1
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Found anything else? Are you on visa?
      May 17
  • Can you move to another group, or did you get put on a black list internally that now makes that possibility impossible?
    May 29 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt husky8833
    OP
    Had some discussions with HRs on potential employment, nothing concrete yet. Any referrals and pointers would be appreciated( I know it’s not the place).
    I don’t know if there is a way for buying time, this is last week.
    May 20 0
  • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
    OP, what option did you choose?
    May 17 0
  • New
    cdPp78

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    May I ask what you did or didn't do to get to this point?
    May 8 0
  • Amazon / Eng n0v
    Document everything, especially if your manager agrees.
    May 8 0