Amazon or OfferUp?

Microsoft wyPY44
Dec 16, 2017 40 Comments

Have offers from both.
Base salary is the same.
Amazon however offers sign-on cash + their stock.
Offerup being a startup offers options which I don't really know how to value.
Amazon is not AWS, if that matters.
Both projects seem to be interesting and I liked the people from both teams.
Thoughts?

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  • OfferUp JOkf15
    This is a no brainer, take the Amazon offer. Current OfferUp engineering VP is Dhigha, a former Microsoft partner who plays on politics and brought in his “all talk no work” acquaintances into OfferUp, quickly promote them to manager positions, constantly added additional management layers to cement his VP position. Not too long ago, he just ousted the former VP by playing the backstabbing game and usurped this position. His close circle of Indian management (head of backend engineering + managers) now occupies the majority of decision making positions in the company and are constantly inserting more incompetent Indian acquaintances into high staff level positions even when they fail hard in tech interviews. Sadly the CEO is blind and thinks that everything is fine at the company when in fact the attrition among senior people has been sky rocketing ever since Dhigha grabbed the VP role. To make things even worse, the VP of product who got hired recently (formerly from Zillow) has been a puppet of the director of ads (formerly just an outcasted PM from Amazon, and yes, again another Indian). Almost every single dev who worked with that guy wanted to quit. I’d suggest you Think twice about your career growth before taking on your OfferUp offer.
    Dec 16, 2017 6
    • OfferUp NyXj50
      Wokkkk://www. I feel bad for you. So much negativity. Looks like you are not enjoying your workplace and feeling miserable especially on a Saturday evening overlooking holidays. Life is too short man. Just go get a new job and certainly a life.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • OfferUp JOkf15
      NyXj50, it’s funny that you can’t even come up with a single counter arguments other some random personal insults. Your post just showed it all what the company is like. LOL good job bro!
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Microsoft FkEt57
      Why all the negativity towards Indian devs?
      Dec 17, 2017
    • Amazon jiOK57
      They’re highly political and have bad work ethic in my experience.
      Dec 17, 2017
    • Facebook fb_
      I just talked to Dhigha earlier this month for OfferUp; I think I am going to stay put now. Is NyXj50 Dhigha? He sounds like it.
      Dec 28, 2017
    • OfferUp hksi85
      Who ever wrote this is inaccurate and doesn’t actually know what’s going on. In any startup there are many changes along the way. I’ve seen big changes that are positive in the right direction.
      Jan 10, 2018
  • Amazon / Other YourPC
    I’ve heard good things about OfferUp. Great work environment, very smart people, and the pay isn’t terrible.

    Amazon is the inverse.
    Dec 16, 2017 1
    • Amazon / Eng Sde-π 
      Oh please
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Amazon Booyah
    Joined OfferUp a year ago. Worked for Amazon few years ago. I like Amazon but I love OfferUp. Which company to join depends on your career stage and where you see yourself in say 5 yrs (work backwards from there). OfferUp gives you the opportunity to not only deliver on your role but also learn beyond your role at a faster pace. At Amazon, you role would be tunneled unless you are at senior level roles (Senior manager, Director, etc). Amazon has soul draining company politics in many orgs while at OfferUp its more of delivering results and less to zero politics (relatively speaking). At Amazon, if you leave your team, your team will just sail largely unscathed ie you are just a employee number X. At OfferUp, your presence and impact matters directly to the company’s growth. If I were you, I would use Bezos’s Regret minimization framework. You can always go work for Amazon (or some of its big company peers) but how many times will you get an opportunity to work for a young interesting company like OfferUp, especially in the Seattle area. I vote for OfferUp!
    Dec 16, 2017 1
    • OfferUp JOkf15
      LOL, now I highly suspect either you are a new hire or you are someone Dhigha personally brought in or raja himself (the famous dickhead ads director known across the company, an ex amazon outcast). Bro, you really need to try harder covering up for these folks and the corruption that every single person in the company knows about
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Microsoft Gbiftuj
    I heard a bunch of managers from Microsoft has joined OfferUp. The product they used to manage is the second worst product in MS history : Skype for business.
    Dec 16, 2017 1
    • OfferUp EoIH85
      lol I agree and I can tell what they brought here
      Jan 13, 2018
  • OfferUp fishtetris
    If you worry about, politics, drama, scandals, etc., which happen at every company for those that have not figured that out yet, then plz take the amazon one. But if you want to be at a place where Darwinism can still let true talent rise if they are not one trick ponies and can pair their skills with neighborly people skills (as we see on this thread some lack this again every company) think again. In a maturing startup seeing new levels of talent because frankly they can afford it now; there is gonna be power struggles, power vacuums, rouge agents, rebellions, and sadly some depreciated talent if folks don’t mature and grow along with the company. This means if you truly got the skills while you may not get the public eye, you can be stretched and pulled forward like you have never seen. You can be challenged instead of bored. You can find new paths.
    Dec 17, 2017 2
    • OfferUp Hpl27
      I respectfully disagree with you. Being mature is one thing, and CEO+hr turning blind eyes from its corrupted politics and toxic culture is another. What the previous posts said is in fact an open secret that people always chat about during lunches - VP bringing in and promoting acquaintances to occupy management layers who contributes zero work and who plays corporate politics all day to kick out people who are potentially threat to them, ads run by someone who constantly breaches the very bottom line of work ethics, big turn over rate in the past 6 months, etc etc. I’d say if your offer is an entry level position, all these probably don’t affect you as you are just another low paid work force of no threat to anyone. However if you are looking for career growth and impact or even building up your resume strength, OfferUp is easily one of the worst place to be.
      Dec 17, 2017
    • OfferUp fishtetris
      Hpl27 your statements are correct. It is a very well known ENG factions env which is obv a PIA; however I again go to every company no? Also because it is so clear and transparent it is easy to tactically abuse. Goes back to my Darwinism comment. Because ads is clearly a money play it is a known entity with sole desire; a single minded bull easy to manipulate. I fully acknowledge there are issues. But savvy code, savvy soft skills, and a lil patience I think may still win the day.
      Dec 18, 2017
  • Microsoft FkEt57
    OfferUp will be a buy out imo
    Dec 16, 2017 4
    • Microsoft Gbiftuj
      Yep. But who is gonna buy it. Cannot see a obvious buyer
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Amazon noice
      Naspers...however they already invested in Letgo which also has more funding and more traction in other regions. Also they merged with Wallapop which by itself had already raised +100MM USD.
      I don't see a future for OfferUp to be honest.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Facebook / Other RhVA38
      Yep, will be Naspers but I don’t think it will be a huge buyout. They know they’re the only bidder.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Amazon ccsF30
      Buyout still may not pay common shareholders. Rule of thumb is all investors are paid at least what they invested before common splits the rest with the preferred. You may have .04 but if they get bought out at less than the total preference of the investors that will be .04 of 0
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Facebook / Other RhVA38
    It doesn’t matter which startup you join but I wouldn’t count options as worth anything unless you’re employee 20 or less.

    But further, is OfferUp growing?
    Dec 16, 2017 3
    • Microsoft Gbiftuj
      May not worth a lot. But if you are employee number 100 you might still get 0.05% of the company. It can still be in the million range when ipo.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Facebook / Other RhVA38
      OfferUp would have to be valued at 20B for that to happen. Currently 1.2B. Not saying it can’t happen but the odds are not in any startup’s favor, especially when you consider the space they’re in and the competition OfferUp faces.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Microsoft Gbiftuj
      I agree. OfferUp is facing serious competition and they have not figured out how to make profit from their usage. The growth rate is linear and that is because they are burning cash for usage.

      I think the way to make money in this space is to charge transaction fees. Ads won't bring much profit per user.

      I don't see why Facebook market cannot beating them.

      I think what the CEO of OfferUp is up to is to try to inflate the DAU and sell the company to giants like Facebook.

      Don't believe that is a good mind set to run a startup.
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Microsoft Onensft
    Can you share the actual numbers?
    Dec 16, 2017 0
  • Amazon / Other YourPC
    They’re in a unique position to deliver a blow to eBay and parts of Amazon. Hopefully they’ll take the opportunity.
    Dec 16, 2017 3
    • OfferUp
      FooSomBar

      OfferUp

      PRE
      Amazon, Google, Microsoft
      FooSomBarmore
      ebay is a walking dead - there is no great return to blow to corpse
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Microsoft Gbiftuj
      Yeah of course. They are trying to steal market from Craigslist.
      Dec 16, 2017
    • Amazon / Other YourPC
      I don’t see why craigslist would be on the table. I don’t think OfferUp wants to be in the “handjobs for concert tickets” business. However, Goodwill could be an interesting target for a customer base if they could figure out junk collection and resale as “verified quality” items.
      Dec 17, 2017
  • Amazon GoDawgs!
    Recent story out from The Information on OfferUp struggling to raise money over the last few months. Amazon is def the way to go unless you are super excited about people selling random crap to each other.
    Dec 16, 2017 2
  • Amazon / Eng nomadic
    OfferUp
    Dec 16, 2017 1
    • Amazon / Eng nomadic
      you will learn more
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Amazon Pokvjd
    I worked at amazon and then in multiple startups similar to OfferUp and now back at amazon..I can resonate with a lot of people on this thread..politics is a reality wherever you go...in bigger companies if you have a bad boss you always have an option of changing teams but in startups unless you are part of the ‘old boys club- first 10 employees(so you can be close to Ceo)’ you are guaranteed to be f..ed if your good performance becomes threat to anyone...+ comp wise you have to buy options from your salary/gamble on the future of company VS amazon stock that nearly doubles every year...no brainer mate..90% of startups don’t make it..if you have a solid offer from any of the FAANG companies just go for it.
    Dec 17, 2017 0
  • Microsoft Gbiftuj
    Pay attention to OfferUp options. When you leave you need to purchase the options within 90 days or you lose them.

    They probably won't be IPO for a while, so you are very likely to be stuck there.

    Is OfferUp where you see yourself stay for the next 5 years?
    Dec 16, 2017 0
  • MZ Jin
    Amazon.
    Dec 17, 2017 0
  • Zillow Group TfmM24
    What’s the roles?
    Dec 16, 2017 0
  • Microsoft Gbiftuj
    And OfferUp does not have bonus
    Dec 16, 2017 0

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