Amazon screwing me! Literally

Microsoft fire_
Nov 15 62 Comments

Joined a startup in London 6 months back on a tier 2 visa. Since the startup is not doing well and its future doesn't seem sorted, I interviewed and got an offer at Amazon London.

Here is how the Amazon Recruiter are gaming me:
Current TC = 72K pounds + 8K relocation bonus that was paid to me fro relocating to London from India.

Amazon offer TC: 68K (47 base + 19 sign on + 2 stock)

First of all they reduced my TC from 72 to 68. Also I will have to return the 8k relocation bonus back to the company and Amazon pays $15,000 for international relocation. Now the recruiter told me that they will not pay any relocation bonus nor will they reimburse my previous company's relocation bonus that I will have to return as I'm relocating from London itself.

She even seems quite disinterested in having me on board as she keeps on mentioning that it's ok if I dont want to move ahead with the process forward. It seems that they dont give any shit about the engineers they are hiring specially the junior ones.

YOE: 3 years in Goldman Sachs, Bangalore

Guys please help me out. I'm quite desperate to join Amazon at the same time Amazon Recruiter are making me feel like a beggar. Any advice will be appreciated!

Edit:

It's damn tough to get an interview at the last moment to get competing offers. I surely deserve a better compensation than this shitty deal

Edit1:
Thanks everyone for their valuable suggestions. All in all I have realized that I'm not entitled for a relocation bonus!
The community is suggesting me to get a competing offer and then negotiate further on the TC. Why would there be leverage with a competing offer when they are not even paying me as much as my current employer?

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TOP 62 Comments
  • Amazon / Eng SmkWdEvyDy
    I'm not sure why you think Amazon is screwing you by not giving you relocation. You currently live in London, the Amazon job is in London. Pretty straightforward. Why on earth would they give you international relocation to start work in a city you already relocated to?

    See if maybe you can get the start-up to at least pro-rate what you owe back and get competing offers so you have negotiating leverage.
    Nov 15 4
    • Cisco ananamx
      Its screwing him on the pay front.
      Nov 15
    • Amazon / Eng SmkWdEvyDy
      That's fair, but expected without another offer to negotiate with. Jeff Bezoslebub all about that frugality
      Nov 15
    • Cisco ananamx
      Point is never go somewhere you are not eagerly welcomed. In general he will be low balled
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft HdnF84
      No one is screwing him. He should be thankful he got an offer. 99 others will get rejected, nada. What op clearly failed to do is establish value. Market value is market value.
      Nov 15
  • Someone doesn't understand what "literally" means
    Nov 15 1
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      Technically this is a bit depressing and hence literal.
      Nov 15
  • PayPal / Eng
    maybeiam

    PayPal Eng

    PRE
    mphasis
    maybeiammore
    Suck it up, gain experience, become better until they are behind you
    Nov 15 0
  • Microsoft tobegrad
    47k base? Ouch. Apply other places in London.
    Nov 15 0
  • Citrix Systems / Eng ಅವನೌನ ಹಡಾ
    What can we do ?
    Nov 15 1
    • Amazon cbaz123
      You can teach what your username means and how to use it effectively LMAO
      Nov 15
  • Microsoft GTFO++;
    Getting screwed, but hopefully not literally 😁. That's bodily harm afaik.

    Amazon isn't obliged to reimburse for the relocation PKG you took from India to UK. Sometimes company do so only to make offer attractive .

    You are already in London so why would they pay for relocation from India?

    As others said, either suck it up, or get in a better negotiating position by getting offers from elsewhere.
    Nov 15 11
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      @ananamx dude I was under the impression that I deserve the relocation allowance.
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      Of course not dude! In fact at Msft we explicitly don't even bother interviewing candidates who'd need relocation coz many a times the budget isn't there.
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      Ok. Thaks for the info!
      Just one more thing, is there a set limit for each level in Microsoft even if it means reducing the current base of the candidate or it is somehow compensated by providing more stocks/ joining bonus?
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      Yes. But I've never really had to deal with reducing one and compensating by other. Maybe others have.
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft newbie323
      OP, offers are made based on the position team is hiring for and the budget associated with it. They have a price point and either it works for you or it doesn’t. There is no point arguing whether you are ‘entitled’ or ‘deserve’ anything.

      Take up the offer it works for you - else figure out what other options are available to you. There isn’t much anyone on this community can do to change what offer you get
      Nov 15
  • New QTdN03
    It sounds to me like all SWE’s in the UK are getting screwed on TC!!
    Nov 15 1
    • Microsoft tobegrad
      Nah. People just work for the wrong companies. FAANG isn’t going to pay great here, you’ve got to go to unicorns/hedge funds. London’s fintech scene is huge.
      Nov 16
  • Expedia Group shadow8
    Apply to banking jobs. More pay, better wlb. Interview later when you can get multiple offers
    Nov 15 0
  • Airbnb XQqs82
    come to airbnb, I can refer you
    Nov 15 3
    • Airbnb âîr bñb
      Based on these posts OP sounds difficult to work with. Maybe OP is not, but both the logic and the entitlement (“getting screwed”??) in the posts above sound a headache during calibration or any postmortems.
      Nov 15
    • Amazon real_bezos
      I agree! OP seems to have entitlement and why is it Amazon screwing OP? Amazon offered what they would. If OP doesn’t like offer they are more than welcome to reject and give that opportunity to others. Rather saying Amazon is screwing by not paying relocation (which Amazon need not pay cause OP is already in the same city as Amazon) is absurd.
      Nov 15
    • New h0r4y
      That really sounds like a real Bezos, but good point about Amazon shouldn't need to pay relocation.
      Nov 28
  • Amazon real_bezos
    No companies will pay you for relocating. Are you relocating for Amazon from a different city? If your answer is no, then why would Amazon pay when you are not truly relocating. Paying your previous company for your previous relocation is not the responsibility of Amazon but yours.

    On the other hand, if you didn’t do well in your interviews or if you suck at negotiation because you didn’t have competing offers, then no one could help. Best thing to do here is get competing offers and negotiate.

    Finally, yes, you are just one engineer and expendable. If you are not taking a job, they could find 100 others who would want the same job for same pay or even lower pay. That is not the case with you but everyone sadly.
    Nov 15 2
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      Thanks for the above pointers.
      Sometimes you know the facts, it's just hard acknowledging them.
      Nov 15
    • Amazon real_bezos
      Get competing offers, and tell recruiter to increase our or get lost. That’s simple. Try and see if you can request for extending your decision date
      Nov 15
  • Cisco ananamx
    Lola wow impressive sheetcode stats. Too bad they don’t mean much when you can’t land a decent job. Get over your sheetcode stats
    Nov 15 2
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      I know it doesn't mean anything. It's just that even with even with all this leetcoding it's hard to get interviews scheduled.
      Nov 15
    • Cisco ananamx
      What are you expecting out of London bro ? Move to the Bay Area or Seattle if thats an option
      Nov 15
  • Microsoft GTFO++;
    Why are you in a hurry? It's not that they've asked you to leave.
    Nov 15 2
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      It's just that if tomorrow the startup decides to close my org(as it is research wing of the company) things might get a bit rough for me as I'm on a visa.
      Nov 15
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      Understood. Keep the offer in hand, try arrange interviews elsewhere. Tell them you have an Amazon offer in hand. You don't necessarily have to disclose the details (at least not here in USA in my experience).
      Nov 15
  • Visa / Eng skdnc
    I think 68k offer is for Amazon new grad in London. You might screw up the interview though. You should get around 90k even better 100k to 110k at FB and Google for L4.
    Nov 16 1
    • New h0r4y
      Yep. A former colleague of mine got 90K+ with 2 YOE at Amazon UK. Sounds like the recruiter took advantage of the circumstances.
      Nov 28
  • Apply for other places like Skyscanner
    Nov 15 0
  • Facebook / Eng KzSj72
    Amazon's offer is ridiculous, even for London. 2 stock??
    They also had the same attitude of not caring with me, didn't respond to my comments after I said offer wasn't enough. And my offer was £170k TC.
    Nov 16 3
    • Facebook search bar
      OP has not mentioned the level he/she was aiming for at amzn, so I hope your tc is not for the same level. Do you mind sharing the level and the break up of your amzn offer?
      Nov 23
    • Facebook / Eng KzSj72
      My offer was for level 6 EM. Got offered 100 RSUs, 100k sign on bonus (52/48) and base salary I think was 115k.
      Even if it is a more junior role, 2 RSUs is less than 4k, even for a new grad that's low.
      Nov 23
    • Amazon / Eng
      y y

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Cisco
      y ymore
      It must be for the first year. We have 5% 15% 40% 40% vesting.
      Nov 28
  • New h0r4y
    Jesus Christ. This sounds bad. Is 68K even enough to survive in London? Can someone afford a one bedroom apartment with that TC?

    I wonder if OP's recruiter is on blind as well. Even though no personal info was mentioned, but definitely enough info for an Amazon recruiter to deduct who is complaining. If I were the recruiter and saw this post, I would retract the offer.
    Nov 28 1
    • Amazon / Eng
      fish and c

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Cisco
      fish and cmore
      Why would you if you got a comission by hiring? Recruiters are basically moving towards one way. They have no control but pushing /pulling the candidate to siginin on the contract.
      Nov 29
  • New / Manufacturing Medtronic
    Dude here people are rejected by Amazon while having 3+ years experience from tech companies in silicon valley and you are crying over your experience from Bangalore ? And why would they pay you relocation since you are already there?
    Nov 15 1
    • New VKHO57
      @Medtronic, you are making a really bad assumption that work in Bangalore is less challenging than Bay area. You will be in for a shock on what all is happening here. Relocation payment is also on the table for negotiation. They can name it joining bonus, but everything is up for negotiation. The problem with OP is that (s)he doesn't have a bargaining chip.
      Nov 15
  • Amazon / Eng
    y y

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Cisco
    y ymore
    Not ready to walk away, then no solution at all.
    Nov 27 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt N8rh4a
    What is your role? What is the level at which Amazon is hiring you?
    Nov 16 0
  • Flipkart @hole
    Just sometime back you posted base 48 and here you mentioned 47. Did they really reduce it further?
    Nov 16 0

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