Amazon sde offer evaluation - Seattle

Goldman Sachs / Eng Truth()
Apr 10, 2018 35 Comments

Heya,

Just got an offer from Amazon. I interviewed for sde2 position but got offered sde1 position despite good interview feedback. I have total of 3.5yrs of exp. Recuirter mentioned that I will be fast tracked for promo for sde2

1. should I accept the offer given Amazon's recent stock rise and growth potential.
2. Recruiter mentioned Max sde1 comp is 150k ish. Is this true ?
3. My current TC is 180k. Should I accept the pay cut for growth potential ?

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  • Amazon / Eng Foods
    Gut reactions:

    0.) do not accept your offer before you have a comp number in writing

    1.) both a pay cut and a title cut seems excessive. If you’re not desperate I would push for one or the other - if you ask me, the comp side

    2.) growth potential is one thing, and Amazon is a big name, but you’re guaranteed at least six months of ramp up time
    Apr 10, 2018 3
    • Goldman Sachs / Eng Truth()
      OP
      Thanks. Do you think I should push for 180k then ?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Foods
      That’s a question only you can answer. If you don’t much care for moving to Amazon, sure. “Match my current TC” isn’t an absurd demand coming from GS. If you love the company and would be very disappointed if your recruiter tells you to fuck off, then don’t - you can comfort yourself with the fact that cost of living means you’re effectively making 30% more in Seattle than the same salary in NYC
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Foods
      Along those lines, WA has no income tax, so you’d probably already come out ahead with 170k here
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Oracle / Other juscurious
    Fast tracking for promotion to sde2 is BS. Recruiter is just selling the job. Take this offer only if you are okay with sde1 at Amazon for couple of years
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon Tgisd6
    Growth potential at Amazon? Most people quit if not jump off buildings in 2 years. Get at least 2x current TC for first 2 years
    Apr 10, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng Foods
      What the actual f
      Apr 10, 2018
  • GE NSrh51
    I turned it down. Probably the hardest career decision I’ve had to make
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Apple Omdxzxx
    Dont ever believe recruiters or an employer for that matter unless you get promises in a legally binding and enforceable contract.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Apple :-P
    How much is your base in your current 180k TC?
    Apr 10, 2018 8
    • Goldman Sachs / Eng Truth()
      OP
      You mean 180k to 240k ?. Well that's the only perk of working in finance. uuuge cash bonus
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Oracle Imborat
      My bad. I thought your TC at Amazon would jump from $170k to $240k.
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Oracle Imborat
      Yes, they give out huge bonuses. i have friends who got $230k offers after one year experience.
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Apple :-P
      I heard that bonuses in GS are discretionary. Isn't true?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Deutsche Bank Gongoo
      Wait how do you know that your bonus will rise from 40K this year to 100k next year ? Bonuses are discretionary
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Foods
    150k sounds like a reasonable top end for sde1, but that’s also usually someone with 2 years of experience and a couple internships. My starting sde1 comp is ~106k base, 35k signing and 30k over the second year, plus whatever happens to 65k in stock over four years
    Apr 10, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng Foods
      So yes: I think 170k would be pushing it, indeed. It’s also, coincidentally, the bottom of the target range for SDE2
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon Tgisd6
      SDE2 can go above 250k, 150k is about median for SDE1
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Foods
    What comp did they offer you?
    Apr 10, 2018 1
    • Goldman Sachs / Eng Truth()
      OP
      Recruiter mentioned 150k is on the higher end of the band. Given my current TC she said she can push it to 170k
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Google jCNW14
    Recruiters can’t promise promos, so that isn’t even a talking point.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Airbnb Amds46
    Why would you? Never do that.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon RBMY63
    Know that you are negotiating for four years now. Yes, the stock might grow, but assume nothing but what’s in your offer letter until year five, and at that time it will be leveled back to target.
    Yes, you might get promoted. But if you negotiate well now and the stock grows at all, you’ll already be in band for SDE II. New promos now are around 180TC. So again: you are negotiating now for the long term. Do not expect any additional comp beyond stock growth.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • GE NSrh51
    I’m actually in the same boat as you interviewed for sde2 but got offered sde1. TC 175k which matches my current TC. I have other offers so that might have helped me negotiate. They said the same thing about promoting quickly
    Apr 10, 2018 4
    • Goldman Sachs / Eng Truth()
      OP
      What did you end up doing ?. Are you considering taking it ?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon Tgisd6
      Forget about quick promotion unless you are very good at playing politics. Plenty of people go through 5 managers in a year due to reorg/manager leaving and stay at L4 for 3+ years. L5 to L6 can be very rare. Much easier to come in at a higher level than staying to get promoted
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Foods
      “Plenty of people go through five managers in a year” yeah right
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng obWd68
      I went through 5 in 2. Totally agree Tgisd6. On my 6th now all from unexpected reorgs with just 1 voluntary team change
      Apr 11, 2018
  • ForeSee 2bFANGer
    Guys any of you took an offer? Finding myself in the same boat, don't have an offer in hand tho yet.
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon wwqwwq
    Goldman Sachs in nyc?
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Cognizant Sexybiachh
    My gut,don’t do it. Find an excuse to say no politely and reapply next year. 65k are not gonna turn up into 100k. They will always have offers for GS dudes
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Salesforce catty
    Don't
    Apr 10, 2018 0