Amazon to MSFT move

Amazon needHelp
Jun 4 17 Comments

L6 TPM at Amazon for 3 years. Overall 13 years of industry experience. I am being offered a Senior PM role in MSFT. Looking to hear from the folks here if the leveling seem right. Also, what compensation to negotiate for. Any other negotiation tips would be super helpful too. Thanks!

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  • Microsoft
    dilf

    Microsoft

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    Facebook, Amazon, Google
    dilfmore
    63 or 64 doesn't matter if TC is right. I don't see 63 making 300k though, so it's probably 64.
    Jun 4 0
  • Microsoft YsTJ07
    Don't join msft as a senior unless they are paying you more money. You'll definitely stagnant your career at msft... Senior at msft is equivalent to mid L5...
    Jun 4 1
    • Amazon needHelp
      OP
      Thanks for the advice. They will pay a total comp of around ~$300K. Yet to see the specifics.
      Jun 4
  • Microsoft
    myan

    Microsoft

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    Sup, brah?
    myanmore
    You should be a 64 or ideally 65 with 13 yoe. Do not accept 63.
    Jun 4 0
  • Amazon needHelp
    OP
    Compensation details - $170K base + $300K stocks over 4 years + $40K bonus over two years.
    Jun 5 2
    • Microsoft
      myan

      Microsoft

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      Sup, brah?
      myanmore
      Thanks for coming back and sharing, OP!
      Jun 5
    • Amazon / Product
      dreambigYo

      Amazon Product

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      Anyone Hire Product Manager :)
      dreambigYomore
      Very nice offer
      Jun 6
  • Tableau BlAk00
    Career growth is likely to be much slower at Microsoft unless you have a great manager who advocates on your behalf. And even then much less opportunity for advancement than Amazon has had the last few years simply by virtue of the number of heads they’ve added. I think In the general case, for *most* people it’s a much more pleasant environment than Amazon but many groups will feel slow compared to Amazon and if you have a crappy manager or GPM it can be more miserable than Amazon. On the whole, I was happy with my decision to move but it depends on what you’re looking for. If your L6, would echo shoot for L64 or L65 but be aware that much of one’s success at Microsoft is having connections and know how the politics work. I think this is even more true than at Amazon, where of course it’s also true. And expectations at L65 will be fairly high.
    Jun 4 1
    • Amazon needHelp
      OP
      Thanks for the detailed response and guidance! I did ask for Principal but the recruiter said that the team thinks I am at right at Senior level. I’ll confirm 64 level though.
      Jun 4
  • Amazon / Product
    dreambigYo

    Amazon Product

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    Anyone Hire Product Manager :)
    dreambigYomore
    😆
    Jun 4 0
  • Microsoft mczG13
    Do you know if it's level 63 or 64? Don't go as 63
    Jun 4 3
    • Amazon needHelp
      OP
      Guessing from ~ $300K comp, it would probably be 64. But will confirm with the recruiter
      Jun 4
    • Microsoft mczG13
      What's the split across base and stock?
      Jun 4
    • Amazon needHelp
      OP
      Don’t have the details yet. Expect to have it within a day or two and will post here.
      Jun 4
  • Amazon kimchiii
    It kinda depends on your age and ambition. If you want to rest and vest, just go
    Jun 4 2
    • Amazon needHelp
      OP
      Nah.. not yet :). Highly ambitious - in the sense - I want it all. Career, Work life balance and money ;).
      Jun 4
    • Microsoft hnsox
      Ha ha .. no one gets it all
      Jun 4