Amazon vs Bloomberg vs Microsoft

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Nov 6, 2018 39 Comments

Evaluating a job offer from Bloomberg NYC Senior Software Engineer:
160k base + upto 25k target bonus
Guaranteed 80% of bonus for year of 2019

YOE: 2

How is the base growth at Bloomberg every year and the usual target bonus percentage in general? How much more can I negotiate with Bloomberg?

Have an offer for SDE2 L5 Amazon Seattle, yet to discuss TC.

Offer from Microsoft Seattle, SDE1 L60, 167k TC

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  • Google Groogle
    Microsoft > Amazon > Bloomberg
    Nov 6, 2018 4
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Basis on reputation?
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Google Groogle
      Yes, also wlb, benefits, quality of people.

      Amazon is better than Bloomberg in terms of compensation and brand. It is worse in all other aspects
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Bloomberg TghbeUG23
      I had two people join Bloomberg recently that hated Amazon. Said the culture was toxic and super unmotivating.
      Nov 7, 2018
    • Bloomberg pDBh60
      Not in this case, MS 60 is SDEI. And tc is not good
      Nov 7, 2018
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    You should be able to negotiate all offers upwards once you have the Amazon offer numbers. Bloomberg commonly offers $200k TC to people with 2 YOE and strong competing offers
    Nov 6, 2018 6
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      You can get at least that much. IC SWE TC tops out around $300k, but you'll need strong competing offers to get that
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Commvault Gtalk
      Got it..thanks
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      *strong competing offers. Bloomberg IC SWE comp only goes that high to match other offers, afaik
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Bloomberg pDBh60
      joined as fresh grad, my tc is currently 150-160K, I should probably consider leave
      Nov 7, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      That's a normal Bloomberg new grad offer. Highest I've seen was 150 base + 15 bonus, and that person had competing offers. Amazon pays less to new grads. Google pays about the same to bachelor's degree new grads, unless they have an offer from FB, Uber, Square etc
      Nov 7, 2018
  • Bloomberg TghbeUG23
    If you do even average, you'll get 100% of your target bonus every year and 5%ish TC raises year over year. Do very well and you'll get 10%+. I've gotten 12-17% raise (TC) each year
    Nov 6, 2018 3
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      OP
      What is the TC I can negotiate up to?
      Nov 7, 2018
    • Bloomberg TghbeUG23
      185k is pretty good for 2 yoe. Only way to get higher would be have competing offers and the team really wants you
      Nov 7, 2018
    • Bloomberg Ceki18
      How does one do "very well"?
      Nov 26, 2018
  • Microsoft gfba68
    The money will go further in Seattle than in NYC. NYC is a cooler city, though. It seems like you may have been underleveled at MSFT compared to the other two, which probably means a quick promotion.
    Nov 6, 2018 1
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      I thought the same
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Thermo Fisher / Eng Qwerty837
    It seems like everyone i’ve met at Bloomberg is senior eng. i got interviewed by a fresh college grad there that was senior. 🤔
    Nov 6, 2018 4
    • Bloomberg TghbeUG23
      It's usually 3+ years experience before someone is named a senior
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Feel the same, everyone is senior haha
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng Run now!
      I have 2 YOE, hired as senior
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      What is your TC Run Now! How much more can I negotiate?
      Nov 7, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Kik
    Amazon l5 will be the best for tc and career. You can switch to Microsoft at 62/63 in a year to reclaim wlb. L5 maps to 62/63.
    Nov 6, 2018 4
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Thanks
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Amazon LEETCODE🙃
      Fake news. Tc is only better when you stay longer than 3 years. Sde 2 might map to L62/L63 but also note that this is interview performance dependent; which didnt really play in your favour this time
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Kik
      Let's reevaluate tc aspect when op gets his Amazon offer. I'm quite sure it's going to be better than Microsoft offer.
      Amazon's substantial signing bonus for year 1 and 2 makes the TC better than Microsoft even before year 3.
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      alex9537

      Microsoft Eng

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      True, Microsoft 61/62 is way worse than Amazon L5.
      Nov 6, 2018
  • New / Eng
    remus808

    New Eng

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    "Senior" with 2 YOE 🤔
    Nov 6, 2018 1
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Apparently Bloomberg has flat structure and most of them start at Senior Engineer who have some yoe. Not a big deal though for me. Work and TC is more imp than title.
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng dKWp30
    Is MSFT willing to budge on the level if AMZN is leveling you as a SDE2?
    Nov 6, 2018 2
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Nope, next promotion cycle crap
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng dKWp30
      That’s not a guarantee. If AMZN is offering you SDE2, take it and try to survive there for a while. MSFT will think that you’re performing and give you a higher level. My group hired a SDE1 from AMZN 3 years ago and he joined as a SDE2. No joke. Plus you’ll learn a ton at AMZN.
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Timon
    How was your Amazon interview?
    Nov 6, 2018 2
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Best out of all 3
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Timon
      I mean what was the difficulty level compared to others?
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng jNeo42
    Hmm Amazon didn’t tell me what my level was until I got the offer. You may be surprised to get an SDE 1 offer.
    Nov 6, 2018 1
    • Egencia / Eng
      lazy_lad

      Egencia Eng

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      Doesn’t make sense to me if they already told the level is SDE2 why will they change it later? More than myself, it won’t look good on their part
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Shutterstock kudabobb
    Add msft breakdown
    Nov 6, 2018 0

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