Amazon vs Microsoft

IBM ahdhe24
Jul 30 36 Comments

Hi,

I received a SDE 2 offer from Microsoft(Azure) today.
Base 131k, sign on 25k, stock 50k

I’ve a competing offer from Amazon(aws):
Base 147k, stock 42k and 32k, stock 125k

After asking Microsoft to match Amazon’s offer they changed it to:
Base 137k, sign on 40k, stock 75k

Also my recruiter won’t tell me if it’s level 61 or 62. And she said hiring manager won’t go beyond these numbers. Thoughts?

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TOP 36 Comments
  • New / Admin kOkC86
    Microsoft, it's the future. AMZ is going down with government regulations and poor work culture.
    Jul 30 6
    • Microsoft CaughtOnce
      That is just stupid. They might have poor work culture but they are not going down
      Jul 30
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      Agreed. Aws still is leading 60% of the market.
      Jul 30
    • New / Admin kOkC86
      Well, grass always seems greener on the other side, guess what? Its not!
      Jul 30
    • Amazon / Eng AMZNBucks
      Amazon was my second choice because I couldn't get into New :(
      Jul 30
    • Capital One / Mgmt wakandap
      😂😂
      Jul 30
  • Snapchat znwf57
    why the fuck they won’t tell level? Push these bastards harder!
    Jul 30 1
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      I feel betrayed. As per my opinion, we deserve the right to know this information.
      Jul 30
  • Oracle PgEo55
    That's probably a 61 at MSFT. If you feel confident that you will perform better than you interviewed, then gamble on yourself and take the much better company to work for, and say no to horrible amzn culture.

    If you are looking at this as a 3 year resume builder either way, and don't care about having a life outside of work, but just want the money, go with amzn and get out once you can proved you can cut it there (because then you can cut it anywhere)
    Jul 30 1
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      that sounds about right. And I thought both of these companies look equally good on the resume.
      Jul 30
  • Amazon
    free🍌

    Amazon

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    Make Microsoft match
    Jul 30 1
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      Yes, I’m kind of surprised looking at their stock options.
      Jul 30
  • Facebook wzVB27
    As someone who worked for both, vote for Amazon even it has many cons.
    Jul 30 0
  • Cerner woHC41
    Seems like L61 offer to me.
    Jul 30 2
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      I’m pretty sure I performed better in the interview. I’ve a total of 5 years of work experience. Since they are not disclosing the level how do I ask them to give me l62 ?
      Jul 30
    • Cerner woHC41
      Push them to disclose the level. L62 offer for sure can go higher than the offer you have on hand from what i know.
      Jul 30
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

    Microsoft Product

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    Brazukamore
    It's L61 for sure based on salary of initial offer
    Jul 30 1
  • Microsoft lolzzcat
    They should tell you the level
    Jul 30 1
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      My recruiter mentioned this information will be provided on first day at work. And it’s decided as per the performance. Shall I insist on talking to the hiring manager?
      Jul 30
  • Amazon / Eng bCxp50
    The parts of Azure I'm familiar with aren't country clubs like Microsoft is reputed to be. Not even close. So that TC looks even worse in that context.

    Unfortunately, that's not a particularly stellar Amazon offer for an outside hire, either. Somewhat close to the bottom of the L5 range--they're probably exploiting the fact that you're coming from IBM and your only competing offer is from Microsoft. They can definitely go higher--~$240k is the max though you'll probably have a hard time getting there without stronger competing offers, but something like $210-220k all-in could be achievable in exchange for signing now.
    Jul 30 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt observer42
    If you're making your decision entirely on comp, you're doing it wrong. Go to the company you want to work for, both offers are not bad.
    Jul 30 0
  • eBay / Eng dwenig
    If recruiter didn't tell you the level, it's level 61. Both offers are good and Microsoft may not match your Amazon offer. FYI, MS benefits are way better than AMZ.
    Jul 30 2
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      Is it even possible to push for level 62?
      Jul 30
    • eBay / Eng dwenig
      How would you push if you don't know the level? You can only negotiate with competing offers.
      Jul 30
  • Microsoft KvzJ87
    Is this for the cxp team ?
    Aug 1 1
  • GE
    sabz

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    sabzmore
    Did you mean sign-on 42k and 32k? Also, YOE?
    Jul 31 1
  • Samsung sammydammy
    What is total number of stocks for Amazon?
    Jul 30 1
  • eBay bsjiska
    Location?
    Jul 30 1
    • IBM ahdhe24
      OP
      Bellevue and Seattle
      Jul 30
  • Microsoft KvzJ87
    How much did you manage to negotiate finally ?
    Aug 5 0
  • Fred Hutch wccs05
    No question, take the bumped-up Microsoft offer. Azure is doing great. It depends on the team, but there's a much higher likelihood that Amazon will overwork you and burnout in two years. Go Microsoft and don't look back
    Jul 30 0