Amazon vs Verily... What would you pick?

Intel / Eng CoryP
Jul 15 18 Comments

So while I humble brag a little, let me tell you about this (awesome) problem that I have.

Edit: I have 7 YOE as a design verification (HW) engineer.

I recently signed an offer with Amazon to be an SDE 1 and working on ads. They said I'd be doing stuff like working on mockups/MVPs of Android apps and web portal stuff. The breakdown is this:

SDE 1
Base: 160K
Sign on Bonus: 26k the first year, 18k second
RSUs: 35 shares (vesting 5/15/40/40)

This is beyond my expectations in both comp and work subject matter. I'm a little scared by their reputation... I'm leaving my current job because I feel out of place, unappreciated, and a cog in the machine. Amazon's frugality and the whole PIP thing is making me worried that it'll feel the same as working for Intel but with higher comp.

I had an on-site with Verily last week, thinking I would just use the interview for practice but I came away from the experience with a super positive impression. The amenities are like Google's, and all my interviewers were the most friendly and chill people I've met so far. The projects they described sound as creative and interesting if not more than Amazon's and their comp breakdown is comparable and actually a little higher in beginning.

L3
Base: 142k
Sign on: 0
Perf bonus: 15% of base (~21k) if meets exp.
RSUs: 94k (vesting 50% then monthly the second year)

Some additional notes for Verily:

Google will buy back the stock, so it's more liquid than other startups. Also I heard that you can switch to Google easily, but that sounds like heresay to me. Would love confirmation on this.

What would you choose?

I'm leaning towards reneging from Amazon... Getting blacklisted from such a huge FAANG company is going to hurt though. I will be thinking long and hard about this for the next week or so...

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TOP 18 Comments
  • Intel / Eng CoryP
    OP
    I got off the phone with Amazon, they were surprisingly good natured about the whole thing.

    I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their insights and contributions. I tried to take as much as possible into consideration and I think it really influenced my decision. Thanks!!
    Jul 25 0
  • Google curiousing
    Also you can’t easily switch to Google. But essentially you are googler already
    Jul 16 1
    • Microsoft / Eng mjHc32
      What's the hard route to move to Google from a bet like verily ?
      Jul 18
  • Google curiousing
    Verily is cool place for healthcare but not software engineer. SDE is just support role, not to mention healthcare is still kind of research-oriented, far from commercialization. Anyway healthcare is bad domain compared to driving or finance. But Amazon is shitty place that treats you worse than dog. So Verily plz, at least you’ll be treated well though not exciting.
    Jul 16 1
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      Could you please elaborate on the cons of SDE being a support role? Compared to places where SDEs are the main product I guess?

      I don't really have a good intuition of this stuff yet...
      Jul 17
  • Skydio WxDD05
    Verily. First commercial product is coming online soon. They'll either blow up or not soon. Roll the dice, ads will always be available. Nothing beats real physical products on your resume.
    Jul 15 1
    • Google topCon
      Which product is that?
      Jul 16
  • Amazon / Eng omsjxbeh
    How are refreshers like at Verily? If they aren't good enough to keep up the TC, you will reach TC cliff in 2 years.
    Jul 15 6
    • Amazon / Eng omsjxbeh
      That will make a difference. Compare projected TC for next 4 years. Also, you will be blacklisted only if you accept the offer and then reject. So, that shouldn't be your concern if you choose Verily now.
      Jul 15
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      I've already accepted and digitally signed with Amazon some weeks ago...
      Jul 15
    • Amazon / Eng omsjxbeh
      Oops!! My bad. Missed that info. Amazon is too big to care about blacklisting really. No need to worry about that.
      Jul 15
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      Oh interesting. I was kind of worried that they would have it on internal file. I wouldn't be able to work at twitch or step foot into a whole foods ever again!
      Jul 15
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      So I asked the recruiter and there's additional grants each year worked dependent on employee performance as well as company/stock performance.
      Jul 19
  • Amazon
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    Amazon

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    kccmore
    160k base for sde1?
    Jul 15 3
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      Yes. I forgot to put that in. I updated the OP
      Jul 15
    • Amazon / Eng omsjxbeh
      Location?
      Jul 15
    • Intel / Eng CoryP
      OP
      Bay area
      Jul 15