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Amazon without Bezos?

Intel / Eng!!!???
Jan 11

Curious how current folks at Amazon feel about Bezos’ influence on the company. I’m about to interview with them.

Would it be better off or worse off if he were to step down? Is he considered a Steve Jobs-like visionary and motivator?

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    • Bank of America / OthertSWv17
      @KoUq26 - care to elaborate what does he do to the employees?
      (other than being impatient in meetings with higher execs - something which has been mentioned too many times already)
      Jan 11
    • Bank of America / OthertSWv17
      @KoUq26 - fair points and I totally agree with the monitor/equipment bullshit..employers totally need to own that.
      As for free food, I think as adults we can just buy our own food..not a big deal.

      As for blue collar workers..I think some of it is genuine and some of it is general bad PR of Amazon in media.

      (I don't work for Amazon..just appreciate their innovation)
      Jan 11
    • Amazon / EngPoofyBunny
      To be fair, computer equipment is pretty good now. You can get one ultra wide 34” 1440p monitor, or two 27” 1440p monitors. Lots of teams let you expense a nice headset and keyboard. Laptops are fully spec’d 13” MacBook Pro or windows/linux equivalent.

      I really wish they’d shell out for some decent coffee.
      Jan 11
    • Amazon btsfan
      Sure but I still got a used mac pro and its buggy as hell
      Jan 11
    • Intel / Eng!!!???
      OP
      Do you think a new CEO would change that, or is the culture too tied to Bezos? Do Amazonians even want it to be like Google?
      Jan 11
    • Amazon Mary2018
      What do you mean "can't become google?" Our market cap is higher than google...
      Jan 11
    • Intel / Eng!!!???
      OP
      @Mary2018 I assumed he/she meant in terms of culture/WLB
      Jan 11
    • Amazon Mary2018
      Isnt this the TC or GTFO app? Market cap is THE POINT of public companies
      Jan 11
    • Amazon
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      Can’t become google - I assume you are referring to pay and employee treatment which I completely agree. Otherwise Amazon is killing it in terms of maker cap.
      Jan 11
    • Amazon BlindBoss
      I would put it as that's why Google cannot become Amazon!
      Jan 12
  • Amazon ChiknTikka
    Amazon - good place to be an L7+, bad place to be an L5-.
    Jan 112
    • New JthG36
      L6 is in limbo?
      Jan 11
    • Amazon ChiknTikka
      Depends on team and role. L6s often are the ones who get shit from above, below and the sides. L6 SDEs are highly valuable though and treated well, less as direct producers of code and more as team leaders and augmenters.
      Jan 11
  • Intel / Eng!!!???
    OP
    Interesting. How long does it take to progress from L5 typically?
    Jan 115
    • Intel / Eng!!!???
      OP
      So if I come in as SDE II I’ll be stuck there for a while?
      Jan 11
    • Amazon sk2
      Possibly. Depends if you get a manager who believes in your ability to get to SDE 3. But it’s common to see SDE 2s who have been in that role for 5+ years. Hence, jump ship.
      Jan 11
    • Amazon / Engvraisad
      Average L5->L6 is 3.5 years. Standard deviation is fairly high, though. That doesn't factor in those who are never promoted or leave prior to promotion, though.
      Jan 11
    • Intel / Eng!!!???
      OP
      I see. What happens to people who don’t jump ship then, PIP? Or can they be comfortable where there’re at?
      Jan 11
    • Google / EngOJqG17
      Usually people jump ship or eventually get promoted. Amazon makes you cry for L6 promo. It's really difficult to get promoted to L6 in Amazon because you are judged on 2 different things.

      1 how good of a SDE are you, which mostly are.
      2. Leadership rating. This is very subjective and that's where you need to be really good with politics.

      Just to give you an example from my previous team. We had L5 SDE and probably one of smartest sde in amazon. Everyone believed that he was already operating at L6, still wasn't getting promoted. I heard that he got promoted recently after applying 5-6 times for promo.

      Its better to join Amazon as L6 then L5. Mostly Amazon hires from college. People get promoted to L5 and then leave. Mostly people treat it as stepping stone as getting into Amazon is very easy after college.

      I wouldn't recommend joining Amazon if you are married with kids. That place is filled with college graduate who work atleast 8-10 hrs every day.
      Jan 13
  • Amazon rhuW84
    Him and Jassy are extremely low visibility in the company. Every direction from above I've seen has come from VPs. Sometimes I wonder if they even go into work in the mornings.
    Jan 112
    • Intel / Eng!!!???
      OP
      I see. So at this point do you think the company will do fine without Bezos? Or is it because he’s imprinted his mindset unto them?
      Jan 11
    • Amazon PIPedAlot
      Maybe Jassy works with unlaunched services more....my manager meets with him quite often
      Jan 11

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