Amazon's Leadership Principles: Legit or just cliche fluff?

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Dec 3, 2017 24 Comments

Please only vote if you work for Amazon (AWS even better)

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    • HPE / Sales
      x86seller

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      Interesting. Yeah, it's as if that one single "principal" completely undermines most of the rest. Anything worth doing requires resources, right?
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon lilwayne
      Several of the principles are meant to be in conflict with one another. Different ones are more important to different situations and you must find the correct balance.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • HPE / Sales
      x86seller

      HPE Sales

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      OP
      The fact that youre company actually has Koolaid to drink is a good sign. Here, we're all out of Koolaid.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon maskedman
      Frugality means caring about efficiency. That's pretty much it. Why use more resources than you need? It's not about being cheap.
      Dec 4, 2017
  • Amazon Fyjbf
    I don’t see why so many people struggle with frugality. In its simplest form, it means to not throw unlimited money at a situation that can be solved at least as well with less money. In the end this makes for a better product but requires more skill from the person/s handling the situation.

    This is especially true of the infrastructure at amazon where we stopped buying black box, proprietary hardware and instead buy cheaper commodity hardware that we build specialized software for and is a better fit for our needs.
    Dec 3, 2017 2
    • Amazon Fyjbf
      What’s wrong with recycled hardware? You realize that you have all of AWS to use for free right? You could go provision an x1e.32xlarge as you cloud desktop that has 3.9TB of memory, 128 cores, 3.8TB SSD, and a 25G nic. What other companies are offering those to their engineers for a desktop?

      So how are you being treated like shit due to frugality?
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      commando

      Amazon Eng

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      commandomore
      I see this rule being discarded in our internal teams. Why do we have an entire team dedicated to building sshitty chat app when we could just use slack.

      Same for almost every other tool people use here really.
      Dec 7, 2017
  • New ppSw60
    I’m not an employee, but currently interviewing with AWS. Coming from a startup background into a senior-ish role (L7) the LPs are a huge selling point. Whether or not everyone practices them, I would plan to use them to guide and justify my own actions. I do agree frugality is most bothersome and confusing. But is Re:Invent frugal? Obviously expensive but it’s likely great ROI. Just like infrastructure.
    Dec 3, 2017 6
    • Amazon Fyjbf
      I’d wager that reinvent is very frugal. There’s not a lot of money spent on advertising AWS products outside of reinvent. We also charge $1800 to attend and last year there was 30k people. That’s $54MM in revenue from attendance at the event itself. There’s going to be more revenue from the booths and I’m sure there’s other revenue (plus the people who pay for AWS services after the event). I’d be really surprised if that wasn’t enough to pay for the costs of running the event.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Diffbot FJWd57
      They may make some money, but probably many or even most aren't playing that or even anything at all.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon Fyjbf
      Pretty sure most of them are paying. Why would you think they’re not paying?
      Dec 3, 2017
    • New ppSw60
      My point exactly. Frugality isn’t being cheap. It’s just not wasting money. Though FWIW events like these tend to be very expensive and break even at best.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon Fyjbf
      I’m actually curious about how expensive reinvent really is for amazon. I would imagine that Vegas comps amazon quite a bit here. I mean hell, amazon is bringing in 30k highly paid workers who are not only paying for hotel rooms for a week but people who are likely going to spend a lot on gambling.

      Not to mention that this is about the slowest time possible in Vegas... late November and weekdays.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Amazon Q4TerEr
      Amazon invests in everything for the long term. So the cost of the event is peanuts compared to the long term value it brings.
      Dec 4, 2017
  • When you leave Amazon, you miss the leadership principles. They are a touchstone, a common vocabulary that teams can work with, it gets into the culture and into you, and you may not even realize it and take it for granted. Then you leave...
    Dec 4, 2017 2
    • 3M / Other xRpO60
      So true.
      Dec 4, 2017
    • HPE / Sales
      x86seller

      HPE Sales

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      Great comment, thanks. I've worked in successful cultures before, and I really miss it!
      Dec 4, 2017
  • Amazon thus
    This poll is poorly done. The principles are rammed down our throats, so yes, they are legit in that sense. Whether there is anything done to back them up, they're usually used as fluff.
    Dec 4, 2017 0
  • Amazon bluecoin
    Doing good work is intuitive to good workers. It's not like people really consult the list of principles to make decisions.
    Dec 5, 2017 1
    • Amazon FBA123
      Exactly
      Dec 7, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    HUYN58

    Amazon Eng

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    Amazon is cheap not frugal!
    Dec 4, 2017 0
  • Amazon FBA123
    God I cringe every time someone seriously cites the leadership principles. They're such crap!
    Dec 7, 2017 1
    • Amazon thus
      Especially bias for action. Nobody seems to practice that one
      Dec 8, 2017
  • Amazon Yjlt73
    In AWS we Lived and Died by the Blade of these Various Principles. In Alexa they are a wall poster joke. AWS makes billions of dollars and Alexa spends billions of dollars. In my view, they’re woethwhile.
    Dec 22, 2017 0

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