Amazons Reputation

Aug 2 131 Comments

Does Amazon care about their reputation at all? Their 401k plan sucks balls, the match is embarrassing, the first thing anybody asks me is “do you get prime free” and I get to respond “no because Jeff Bezos is a cheap fuck”, rumor has it they give older employees negative raises if their stock went up more than expected (I haven’t confirmed this yet but if it’s true it’s fucking crazy)

I have to imagine Amazon’s negative image comes at a cost. I wonder how well theyd be doing if they were viewed by the public as one of the top employers.

Giving all the employees free prime would cost almost nothing and be a good positive conversation point between the public and the employees.

I suspect when the stock starts to struggle they’ll have a lot more trouble retaining people.

TC 240
YOE 4

Taking a pit stop at Amazon before greener pastures.

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TOP 131 Comments
  • Amazon CeoExtra
    Tell me one thing, did you get any offer from any of the other FAANG companies when you joined Amazon?
    Aug 2 54
    • Amazon aZu1ma10
      It’s very relevant. Try a different company where the business acumen is less rigid. My stock isn’t high because you get perks.
      Aug 6
    • Amazon yxbekeix
      lol ibm can't read can't adult can't learn, prime pip material
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Eng quantish
      OP, if this is your first year at Amazon you'll be able to contribute the full 19k to your 401k without HCE claw back.
      Aug 6
    • OP
      Quantish, that’s good to know.

      Yxbekeix, I bet you’ll get pip’ed before I do
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Eng quantish
      Yep, only employees making $125k+ and who are in at least their second year count as Highly Compensated Employees. Given then high turnover rate it makes the claw back situation even more ridiculous as this puts a lot of people who are paid enough to be HCEs in the non-HCE cohort their first year and we still fail the discrimination test.
      Aug 6
  • A lot of folks here had massive TC jumps when Amazon’s stock went through the roof.

    But for newcomers, it’s unclear what that jump will look like. If it’ll even happen anytime soon.

    In similar circumstances, most companies would hemorrhage talent in the near future, their product quality will start to suck, and they’ll get stuck with B-player politics and bureaucracy.

    But I think that Bezos and his VPs will realize this and prevent this from happening well before it results in any business loss. They’ll up their employee TC and benefits before they lose any money whatsoever. There’s a reason why they’re Amazon, after all.
    Aug 3 13
    • Amazon pMWj71
      For the ignorant folks who think AWS is carrying Amazon, here are the numbers. AWS is a 25 billion business with huge profits. Amazon is a 900 billion company. Do the math
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Where did you get the 25B number from?
      Aug 5
    • Amazon pMWj71
      Read the financials
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Eng 💲|| 👋👉
      25 billion annual revenue does not make it a 25 bil company.
      Aug 6
    • Amazon pMWj71
      Read "For the ignorant folks who think AWS is carrying Amazon, here are the numbers. AWS is a 25 billion business with huge profits.". Didn't say it's a 25b company. Annual revenue of retail by comparison is orders of magnitude more
      Aug 6
  • Amazon / Eng
    UTukMyJerb

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    UTukMyJerbmore
    Yes, benefits do suck and timing your employment at Amazon is a huge factor. I was lucky to join 6 years ago but feel bad for anyone who chooses to join now, especially if they are not getting a TC bump.
    Aug 3 6
    • Amazon / Eng
      UTukMyJerb

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      UTukMyJerbmore
      Stock may go to 3500 but still not the 5x to 10x return most yellow badges got in the last few years. To get the same kind of return the stock would have to be at 8k or 10k. Could get more money with a stock split but unlikely. I quit for the same reasons too. Atleast for the short term all value is baked in the price. May come back to Amazon later when stock is at a half or 3rd of what it is now and new lines of business show potential (like ads or streaming video or games)
      Aug 3
    • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
      Stock may go to 3500! Ha... It can barely hold weight above 2k, growth is slowing and Amazon is trying hard to show growth. Who knows, Jeff might pull a rabbit out of the hat
      Aug 3
    • Google topCon
      3500 hahahaha

      Past performance is not indicative of future performance. There's something called the law of large numbers.
      Aug 3
    • Amazon amznanon
      Based off of your usage there, I don't think you actually understand the law of large numbers
      Aug 5
    • Google topCon
      Wow, you make a lot of sense. Too many 🍌?
      Aug 6
  • New vhpR18
    All I know is that warehouse workers there routinely try to commit suicide by jumping off of multi-story storage units/levels. Sounds like a grade-A company if you ask me.
    Aug 3 6
    • Amazon / Ops laggayi
      Suicide is extreme case & I have not personally heard of such or if there is any, it must not be solely because of working in fulfillment center. But boy, you cannot deny that FC work is brutal & there is no room for slackness. It is some of most inhumane place you will visit though it won’t appear to look like one. All happy n chirpy but that shit is dark behind the scene. This coming from someone who worked on the floor as their manager :-(
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      So no different than any other similar wage job.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Ops laggayi
      Which doesn’t deny the fact that it is still shit. And presumably high wage is just an illusion. Poor folks lost stocks & VCPU.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon ishome
      $15/hr is a competitive rate for those jobs
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Ops laggayi
      Wow
      Aug 5
  • Amazon / Eng KTUv41
    How long have you been at Amazon?
    Aug 2 6
    • Amazon / Eng KTUv41
      While I think healthy criticism is good, I feel like you’re going in with a bad mentality. I also came in expecting to not have a great time and leave for a better company soon after. I was pleasantly surprised when I actually came to like my job and team. Not that I plan on staying forever, but I wouldn’t write off your experience a couple weeks in.
      Aug 2
    • OP
      Yes. You’re right. I’m being negative but I just learned about the extra 401k limitations and that put me in a bad mood.

      I’ll try to make the most of it. The salary alone makes up for the shit. But damn. Why’s there so much shit in this yard?
      Aug 2
    • Amazon / Eng KTUv41
      Yeah the 401k is awful, not denying that 😛. It was MUCH better at my previous company. That being said, even with the worse 401k, it was still a 60% increase in TC to take the job for me, so I guess that made it not a huge deal.
      Aug 2
    • Amazon RyQy08
      What is the 401k limitation for HCE?
      Aug 5
    • OP
      I’ve heard 15k. It probably changes every year. Contribute the max and wait to see what gets returned
      Aug 5
  • Amazon OfSH26
    To answer your question, no. They don’t care because they don’t have to. When one of the widest read newspapers globally publishes a damning expose on the unmatched brutality of your work culture, and all the world’s top talent still wants to work there after reading it, what’s the point in consuming precious HR resources to change? Bezos built Amazon to be exactly what it is. When the company’s leadership has tried in the past to “humanize” our workplace, he personally intervened to stop it. Read Brad Stone’s book “The Everything Store” to understand how mistreatment of employees is coded into Amazon’s DNA. As long as shareholders are happy and our crappy echoes keep flying off the warehouse shelves, no one gives a rat’s a** about our reputation.
    Aug 5 2
    • OP
      That’s a damn good answer
      Aug 5
    • Amazon Lollol
      So much Kool aid flowing here that it’s not even funny.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon ishome
    The 401k plan issues are entirely because of the 500,000 people who work in warehouses and do not contribute. That results in the plan failing the IRS fairness test which is why most of us get part of our contributions returned every year.

    You could selfishly say that Amazon should divert payroll for low income workers to automatic 401k contribution, creating a "safe harbor", just so YOU could get a tax deduction. In that case we could also expand the match and even allow after tax contributions.

    But that's just selfish because in the 15% tax bracket, or 0% bracket, that most of our warehouse workers are in the 401k has NO tax benefit and simply locks up money they would rather have deposited in their checking account to spend on basic needs.
    Aug 5 0
  • Amazon / Design !!hotdog
    How seriously do you take leadership? If you take it seriously, lots of things about Amazon will quickly make sense. If you don’t care, it won’t make sense, and you’ll leave for a better opportunity or more pay. Either way is fine, there isn’t a right or better answer here.

    Amazon figured out something: there’s more to career than money. Time was, lots of people who went to Amazon didn’t get offers elsewhere, for whatever reason. Then Amazon gave them inordinate amounts of responsibility and opportunity, and now they could get an offer anywhere yet choose to stay because the way the place works is fantastic for certain mindsets.

    Yes, TC matters. But it’s not the only thing and Amazon recognizes that.
    Aug 5 4
    • Amazon splswsk
      if ppl can get better offers elsewhere, it'll probably be due to LC and not their work responsibilities right
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Design !!hotdog
      Depends on what you’re looking for. I left Amazon for a (considerable) bump in pay and increase in scope, but have found life elsewhere a bit underwhelming. All the FAANGs have smart people, that’s not the issue. The issue revolves around leadership and ownership. Amazon rewards for those who take ownership and those who seek out the most valuable solutions for customers, no matter how unpopular their position might be. Not saying other companies don’t do that, I just haven’t seen it. What I saw at Amazon was a widespread expectation of thoroughness, depth of thinking, and clarity. The decks and documents I’ve seen elsewhere are mostly sloppy, comparatively. And there’s tons of slop at Amazon...it’s just less sloppy.

      That said, Amazon is very big and can be wildly inconsistent these days.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon splswsk
      this should mean ex-AMZN should be good entrepreneurs right, not sure if that holds up in practice vs others
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Design !!hotdog
      You don’t see many ex-Amazon founders because Amazon provides plenty of opportunity for entrepreneurship within it. Again, they’re calculating that many people aren’t all that motivated by money and are more interested in challenges.

      Also, working at Amazon doesn’t necessarily make you good at raising funds from fickle VC’s, or any of the other nuanced, difficult things that go into launching a company.
      Aug 6
  • Amazon protonn
    The answer lies in ur qn. So you are taking a pitstop at Amazon. That is exactly the kind of people they want to hire in majority. The very good ones will be offered more to stay, the rest will be removed from the queue automatically by the lack of perks/pay stagnation/pips etc. I see it as an efficient factory system if you consider devs as resources (and not humans). Obviously I don't support this. I'm merely pointing out what it is.
    Aug 5 2
    • OP
      I didn’t realize this was so widely understood. When their stock stops growing I think it’ll bite them in the ass.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon Djdhdyxhd
      If you look at how much the tc is for each year then it's best for amazon if you show up, hang around for two or three years and then leave.

      They don't pay out the bulk of the RSUs and don't pay out on the 401k.

      There's always a stream of new meat for the grinder so they don't care. Until hiring becomes too difficult then nothing will get any better. The current system is working just fine for the company.
      Aug 7
  • Amazon flNV61
    > ...rumor has it they give older employees negative raises if their stock went up more than expected (I haven’t confirmed this yet but if it’s true it’s fucking crazy)

    It's not true.

    Thanks for bothering to verify before spreading something unsubstantiated in public. Sorry to hear you're unhappy. Maybe you should move on sooner than later.
    Aug 5 0
  • Amazon sgsy5^
    Why would you even talk about free stuff when you are getting 240K/yr...
    Aug 5 1
    • OP
      Y’all need to improve your reading comprehension skills.
      Aug 5
  • Eventually is gonna bite when stock falls or flatten
    Aug 2 0
  • Amazon ngf33
    If you are not happy GTFO instead of complaining
    Aug 5 6
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      So Why r u at IBM?
      Aug 5
    • OP
      I’m not
      Aug 5
    • Amazon Magazine
      Thought you said you were taking a pitstop at Amzn first? Where are you now?
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Eng 💲|| 👋👉
      Looks like @Magazine is seeking an opportunity to do a tu quoque troll on your new employer :)
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Someone never heard of "vocally self critical"...
      Aug 6
  • Amazon eldorodo
    Thinking you should have a real talk with your manager about our comp strategy as step one. You should at least be educated and not listing to rumors of negative raises.
    Aug 5 2
    • OP
      I agree. I shouldn’t discuss rumors. I was in a pissy ass mood when I made this post. I plan to discuss the 401k clawback with my manager. And I plan to put pressure on them to increase my stock comp if the price decreases over the next few years.

      I’m not too worried. Probably shouldn’t have posted so hastily but the responses brought some amusement to my otherwise dull life.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon eldorodo
      The 401k is a tiny component. You need to understand how RSU’s are granted, how the SPP works, how target and actual pay are related, and finally how performance affects your take home. Even if you were missing a full $17k match in your 401k it would be small in comparison to being a TT and getting max investment from the company.
      Aug 6
  • Amazon yacht 🛥
    Now imagine giving free prime to 600,000+ employees, that will be around $72 million, which can be used instead to build new warehouses, data centers, launch new products or get into new markets to further delight the customers, and make stock price go up further.
    Aug 5 4
    • OP
      All of those employees would start relying on prime to buy their shit.

      Narrow it down to full time and you’ll save some money.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon MWAi76
      The employee discount is intended to add up to Prime Membership cost.
      Aug 5
    • OP
      Y’all missing the point. It’s not about the cost. I get paid enough.

      It’s a solid, easy, way to create positive conversations between the public and your employees.

      Half the reason Amazon’s reputation sucks is because most conversations between the public and employees are negative.

      I imagine there’s a huge cost to maintaining a negative reputation.

      Idk. Seems obvious to me. Guess it’s not obvious to everybody.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon Northman
      Except that Amazon's reputation as an employer is not all negative. Sure, on Blind it is pretty bad, particularly compared to other FAANG companies. And yeah, treatment of FC workers has a bad rap. But the general public still mostly thinks it is awesome that you work at Amazon. Amazon ranks as a too employer in the major surveys. Until the supply of ready, hireable SDEs runs dry, there isn't much cost. We may be nearing there, BTW, I have noticed it getting way harder to hire in the Bay Area ... But I think that is mostly due to visa friction thanks to Orange Man.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon SDE3Hire
    The problem is amazon has a massive employee count at very different skill levels. Benefits need to be uniform - thus the 401k clawback.

    Other top tier tech have mostly high skilled tech workers so offering strong benefits makes sense.

    Also we are frugal.
    Aug 5 2
    • OP
      The 401k clawback should be discussed at offer time. Doesn’t matter to them I guess. They’re just queuing up people on their way to something better. Damn shame.
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Design !!hotdog
      Apparently they’re working on understanding the full employee lifecycle better, top to bottom.
      Aug 5
  • Amazon / Mgmt whats this
    Negative raise is true.
    Aug 5 2
    • Amazon IPA!
      What does this mean? They take RSUs from your initial grant?
      Aug 5
    • Amazon / Eng
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      That person is trolling. There are no negative raises.
      Aug 5
  • Oracle OlJs40
    doesn't IBM only put money into your 401k on december 31st and you have to be there after december 25th to get it?
    Aug 10 0
  • New / IT
    rbhuta4988

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    It does not matter what company you work for or if their benefits are not as great. The bottom line is that if the person you directly report to is a leader or a boss. You make the choice and choose your career path!
    Aug 6 0
  • Amazon amznanon
    Please leave, you're genuinely not wanted
    Aug 5 0

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