“America will never be a socialist country”

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  • Microsoft QhCq73
    Yeah, we'll never be a capitalist society either. Farm subsidies? Wall Street bailouts? The rich love socialist policies when it puts money in their pockets. But use government to benefit the middle and lower class? Then it's "dirty socialism!!!1!" Hypocrites.
    Feb 6 9
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Maybe move away from purely using GDP as a measure of progress of a country and use gauges like GHP (Gross Happiness Product) in tandem?
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft QhCq73
      Disproportionate risk to reward ratio makes sense in a purely capitalistic society. But we live so far from that now with special interest money infesting our government. They're taking all of the risk out of it with lobbying for special protections for the wealthy. Corporate losses? Right them off. Got to keep way more of your money by lobbying for tax loopholes? Park it in tax havens. There's less and less risk because lobbying for wealthy welfare is compounding. Keep more money > buy more politicians > pass more laws favorable to the wealthy > keep more money > etc. "Everyone benefits when there's free movement of people..." is such a generalized statement that it white washes the corruption that actually makes it harder for the free movement of these things for the common man. A healthy system of innovation? That's the last thing the wealthy and large corporations want. Hence why we have such a poor choice of internet options and slow speeds compared to the rest of the developed world (even though we actually paid for it with extra fees that telecoms were allowed to collect thanks to government lobbying but were never actually held accountable to.) We don't live in a pure anything so why be against the good parts of capitalism and the good parts of socialism?
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      ⬆️⬆️⬆️👍
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Totally with you regarding less choice ie no free market competition. A lot of that has to do with regulations. Contrary to popular belief big corporations love regulations. It makes the barrier to entry super high. A lean mean startup cannot disrupt you. That why you see few ISP options. Few banking options. And monopolies that are bad for consumer.

      And yes, we need to find a middle ground.

      What are the good parts of socialism? Not saying there are none. That would be far from the truth. But I want to hear other people’s thoughts on this.
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      « Contrary to popular belief big corporations love regulations »
      Wishful thinking and/or bull crap. They love regulations as long as they give them an edge. Corporations are soulless entities maximizing profit whatever the social and environmental costs are. Just look at the string of recent deregulation to please bank, coal and fossil energies industries and making even more difficult to go after them.

      One basic idea of socialism is for the means of production, distribution etc. to be collectively owned by the community. It can be translated in the decreasing of the separation between Work and Kapital.

      Also I do not believe in discussing ideologies and theories, I prefer to just address the problems and find solutions.

      Not addressing the most pressing problems our societies are currently having will lead us into some very dark times.
      Feb 6
  • Oath / Eng xxxcd
    Does not means we can’t have great social policies
    Feb 6 10
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Isn’t PG&E a private company overseen by the state?
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft veduiam
      Pg&e is investor owned (iou) which is a blatant conflict of interest.

      They want profits which means they will cut things like clearing ice from lines, etc
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft veduiam
      You say this : "That’s because the greed and corruption part of Capitalism was not checked."

      But then say regulations are bad.

      Which is it?
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft veduiam
      We have privately managed schools here that are publicly funded, they are called charter schools and they suck
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Regulations are definitely not bad. They’re needed for safety among other things.

      Overly burdensome heavy handed regulations are bad. After Dodd-Frank a lot of small community banks had to hire legal companies just to understand the mammoth regulation put on them. In some states there are regulations on how far a window has to be from restrooms and food for restaurants. Small businesses are the backbone of our economy and they cannot survive let alone thrive under such environment.

      Minimal light touch regulation. That’s the key.
      Feb 6
  • Expedia mikebubly
    What does socialism have to do with freedom?
    Feb 6 18
    • Amazon Bestseller
      Also, you mentioned Democrats de-regulates. That’s totally false. FDR created bank acts in the 1930s during the great depression (caused by over stimulation of economy by government after world war 1). Also, Obama redid the bank acts after 2008 crash (caused by government diversity interventions). You are poorly educated.
      Feb 7
    • Amazon Bestseller
      Look up Glass-Steagall and Dodd-Frank bank acts. These are basically fascist bank acts that were used to control the financial industry after the government fucked it up by trying to intervene with over stimulation and diversity. Both Democratic/Progressive policies.
      Feb 7
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      1. “Dude, you’re pointing to articles that talk about failed companies and how they affected your socialist fantasies. The fact is, those workers got their pay checks. They didn’t go into debt after the businesses went under.”

      “Dude”, you’re goalpost moving. You said investors have all the risk and workers take none... yet it’s common and legal for companies to go bankrupt, protect investors first and then skip out on full pensions for workers who “invested” years of their life.

      2. “No one forced people into labor.” LOL. Capitalism was founded by removing the peasantry from the land and literally forcing them to seek wages or be arrested for vagabondry and sent to a work-house. Further, what built industry? British textile manufacturing did. So where’d they get that cotton... oh yeah forced slave and indentured servant labor.

      3. The Democrats. So... FDR is your example of contemporary DNC politics? Here’s a little history lesson for you: Democrats and Republicans both supported Keynesian capitalism until the 70s. In the late 70s Carter, followed more successfully by Reagan, began implementing neoliberal policies and neoliberal justifications for those policies. This was the consensus of the leadership of both parties until the recession when voters became much more skeptical of those justifications. The Democrats, like the Republicans care about Wall Street and Banks, not “diversity”. The only difference is that DNC voters care about progressive things so the DNC has to pay that lip service.
      Feb 7
    • Amazon Bestseller
      Wrong on all points.

      1. Again, workers don’t directly “invest” in a company. They can if they want to by buying stock in it.

      2. People left their farms to seek out jobs during the industrial revolution on their own accord because the standard of living was better in cities and the pay was better.

      3. Reagan supported supply side economics not Keynesian theory. Other Republicans tried to sway the vote by following liberal policies. These people are called RINOs are they aren’t liked by Republian voters.
      Diversity is pushed by Democrats.
      Feb 7
    • Amazon Bestseller
      Look up the Community Reinvestment Act. This act was used by the Clinton administration to boost lending to minority groups that couldn’t otherwise afford a mortgage. This has direct ties to the 2008 crash.
      Feb 7
  • New muchado
    Hahaha, this is just trolling to get politically uneducated people to chant for him.
    Feb 6 2
    • Amazon snxixns
      Orange man bad 😡
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Yes, orange man bad. But this point specifically is sound. Read my comment above.
      Feb 6
  • LinkedIn void 0
    People here are missing the point. The very fact that trump had to indict calls for socialism in this country is monumental. The Overton window has taken a massive swing to the left since Trump took office:

    ~an overwhelming majority of voters support AOC’s 70% top marginal tax, and a similar level of enthusiasm for Warren’s wealth tax. Need more proof? There was a hilarious segment on Fox News recently where they asked their viewers about those policies and the pundits were SHOCKED, literally beside themselves, that a sizable majority of their viewers also supported these “socialist” policies.

    ~ people overwhelmingly disapproved of the GOPs assault on healthcare last year. Poor ass opioid addicts who voted for trump are realizing that the gop wants them dead. Medicare for all is now a feature of every single major contender for the democratic primary - such a thing would have been unheard of in 2012.

    America is falling out of love with billionaires. A majority of millennials, who in 2020 will be the *largest voting block* describe themselves as democratic socialists. The tidal wave is coming. We are going to soak the rich.
    Feb 7 3
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Long overdue.
      Feb 7
    • Expedia mikebubly
      We are going to soak the 'ultra rich'
      Feb 7
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Thanks for the comment Void 0. This is a good point.
      Feb 9
  • Reddit funkfunk
    Great soundbyte
    Feb 6 5
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Go read history. It’s 100% true. You can downvote all you want, doesn’t change facts.

      In 50s it had the 4th largest GDP/capita in the world. 2x Japan. Higher than Canada. Caracas had the highest density of high end restaurants in the world in the 60s when their industries were independent. Heck, Americans were moving to Venezuela for better quality of life.

      Now, will Americans give in to the stupid idea of socialism once automation and AI creates rampant unemployment for simple white collar and blue collar jobs that’s a different discussion.
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft JasperKid
      How do you downvote? I don't find that button in blind
      Feb 6
    • eBay / Eng
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      mDBW53more
      If you don’t upvote that’s basically a downvote.
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      I was making a Reddit joke since FunkFunk works for our favorite site on the Internet.
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      OP I downvoted you for Intellectual Inactivity. [oh shit I should stop playing to WoT Blitz...]
      Feb 6
  • Amazon / Eng netscapeOG
    They zoomed in on Bernie’s face after this and he had teary eyes
    Feb 6 1
  • Clover Health / Eng doenfh
    Look at you being all nationalist.
    Feb 6 8
    • New dluz61
      It can be, if it drives a country towards mercantilism
      Feb 6
    • Clover Health / Eng doenfh
      It still wouldn't be an economic idea.
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      Not even an idea let alone an economic one
      Feb 6
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      Interestingly most socialist ‘revolutions’ start as a nationalist ones.
      Feb 6
    • Clover Health / Eng doenfh
      National revolution and nationalist revolution are not the same thing.
      Feb 6
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    A spectre is haunting the US Empire.
    Feb 6 1
    • Microsoft DangerRngr
      Definitely. A transnational organized crime kind of Spectre.
      Feb 6
  • Google / Eng maza
    Seems socialism have various definition to different people.
    Feb 6 1
    • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
      OP
      No. It’s just people trying to give it a fancy sounding twist to make it easy to market. They’re just packaging garbage differently.
      Feb 6
  • Walmart.com ToKL28
    Majority of Trump supporters are on some sort of social programs. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, government contractor salary...
    Feb 6 0
  • FINRA / IT
    ravenB

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    ravenBmore
    Alex Jones, is that you son?
    Feb 6 0
  • Microsoft DangerRngr
    OP: It is never too late to get an education in politics and history.
    Feb 6 1
  • Envestnet jahfineh
    We already are, blanche
    Feb 6 0
  • Microsoft BcrX06
    Thought this guy was a national socialist?
    Feb 6 2
    • Amazon Bestseller
      The media claimed he was a fascist which is ridiculous because that’s essentially national socialism. People fell for it. So stupid.
      Feb 6
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Dumb people fell for it, devious people promoted it
      Feb 7
  • Spotify KXAo87
    USA is socialist and has been for like a century. The difference between the Democrats and Republicans is about whether we should finance with debt or with taxes
    Feb 8 0
  • Can imagine the greentext...

    Me living in not socialist nation.

    No access to healthcare or dole when unemployed.

    Schools are underfunded prisons and still paying loans for college.

    Muggings burglary and poop on street.

    Pays tax 36%.
    Feb 7 0
  • Google rw55hq
    That's not saying much - even most socialists will tell you that True Socialism™️ has never been tried.
    Feb 6 0
  • General Motors / Eng RCwa76
    Looks like I'm a socialist now
    Feb 6 0
  • Microsoft It’s🌞inCA
    OP
    I’m sick of hearing “It has never been tried”. “They never let it run its course”.

    It’s running its course in Venezuela right now. And in Cuba.
    Feb 14 3
    • Spotify KXAo87
      And capitalism never works either. Just look at Ethiopia
      Feb 14
    • Walmart.com daman8
      More like Sweden and Norway.
      Feb 14
    • More like all of OECD except USA.
      Feb 18