Among the FANG’s, is Apple a privacy champion?

Jan 31 19 Comments

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    • That’s exceptionally rich, but at least you acknowledge it.
      Jan 31
    • Cruise Automation jefeb
      The difference between apple and fb’s respective data privacy issues is Apple’s was a bug and unintentional whereas fb is intentionally tracking your data to sell to the highest bidder. Apples and oranges really
      Jan 31
  • I’m a “no” vote because I feel Apple is no better for creating the technology that enables companies like Facebook to become no more than spying tools.

    They certainly aren’t as villainous, but they are a huge enabler of other companies bad behavior via the popularization of the smartphone.

    This also isn’t to detract from Facebook. But what is Apple doing for us as consumers? If they really cared about privacy, Facebook wouldn’t be in the App Store. But that’s likely an untenable position for Apple. As much as they dislike one another, the relationship between the two companies is mutually beneficial.

    I find Apple’s criticism a bit odd for the aforementioned reasons. If we didn’t have these privacy zapping apps, the smartphone would be a far less useful device.
    Jan 31 3
    • Apple parking
      You get to choose if you want to install Facebook. You don’t need to use it and it definitely is not pre installed
      Jan 31
    • The fact that you have access to an app that will connect you to billions of people is part of value proposition of buying an iPhone. It’s not valuable because you have the choice of installing the app, or foregoing it.

      Apple hugely benefits from privacy killing companies developing apps for its platform. It’s hypocritical of Apple to try and have it both ways, they’re indirectly a very real part of the problem.

      Of course companies would come along and make apps that profit off of violating privacy. What did they think would happen when they opened up the iPhone to third party development?
      Jan 31
    • Facebook wka8a61z
      Apple, like any tech company, conducts user or market research which sometimes involves monitoring how a person uses their product. And sometimes that research is conducted via diary studies (long term). This is normal industry practice as well as getting consent from the participant and rewarding them via some sort of pay incentive in turn for their participation. Aside from it being a tech industry standard, it follows the standards set in place with psychology experiments/research and anthropology research. Now, if we're questioning the standards and asking for better standards that would be a valid ask for any and all industries/companies utilizing these standards. Shouldn't single out FB.
      Jan 31
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    By far. This is not even up for much of a debate. It's one of their foundational selling points.
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  • VMware kokoko
    At least, their business model doesn't involve selling off your personal data. At least, for external use and as a primary source of revenue. So I voted yes.
    I am even considering switching to iPhone for my next phone, although I'm not thrilled with their software quality.
    Jan 31 2
    • Their primary revenue flow is plateauing. Their best shot for growing revenue is through the ecosystem of existing products, such as in-app purchases.

      But there lies the fundamental dilemma. It’s these third-party apps that are destroying privacy.

      Apple can easily afford to say it’s a privacy advocate because they’re in the business of producing the physical device, and that’s where their moral obligations end, and where Facebook’s begin.
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      Lol none of big tech's business models involve "selling off your personal data"

      Targeted ads=/=selling your data

      Having user data that others can't access is a huge competitive advantage... Why would anyone ever sell that?
      Jan 31
  • Microsoft opsiedaisy
    Apple’s privacy is so strong, my own shit is kept private even from me. (Sarcasm)
    Jan 31 0
  • Box BPfa03
    No, their public privacy stances are for show. They happily expose iCloud to Chinese government for starters.
    Jan 31 2
  • Sony Rorschach
    Absolutely. And the reason being that Steve Jobs understood human psychology of feeling special by being the king( or prisoner) of an ‘exclusive’ echo system where nobody else can step in. Think of early days of iPod and iTunes stores and that awesome feeling of holding 5.7 GB full of AACs only with tracks that you like and not being forced to buy an entire album/cd ( example: Being able to buy only “Come Together” and avoid the rest of that mockery of prog rock known as Abbey Road).
    Apple might have lost many of Jobs chops but making ‘privacy’ exclusive is always in its gene.
    Jan 31 0
  • Square TjLf64
    Apple is able to get on a high horse because their business is selling you a luxury product for $800/year. It's almost counterproductive for them to get on a high horse.

    FB and its products are used by literally billions of people who cannot afford to pay that kind of money. They chip in by clicking an ad or two every year.

    This isn't a moral stance per se. It's just the reality of the world.
    Jan 31 0
  • Puppet pqXV61
    Yes, but that's not exactly a high bar.
    Jan 31 0
  • New monomo
    Yes, they don't do business with privacy.
    They make that extra money by making their products expensive
    Jan 31 0
  • Microsoft pJcW86
    Seems like they are more like a "it's not in our best interest financially" to exploit user privacy vs other companies like Facebook and Google.
    Jan 31 0