Analysis on the impact of HR1044/S386 to Rest of the World, and what you can do about it

Oracle SLVT77
Jul 17 110 Comments

Analysis of the impact of HR1044/S386 to Rest of the World, and what can you do about it?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the impact of HR1044 on immigrants from the Rest of the World excluding India. This thread is not created for the purposes of discussing the merits of this bill.

What is HR1044:

Removes country of birth cap and defaults to sorting by First Come First Serve in the employment-based green card category.

How many Indians are stuck in the backlog?:

As per Kevin Yoder's speech in congress, as many as 1 million Indians are stuck in backlog Refer to the video below @1.26 (see citation below)

I pulled figures from USCIS site and backlog for India EB2 is 433k & EB3 is 115k.
I used the same figures that were quoted by CATO institute(see citation below).

Since it is possible to upgrade and downgrade from between EB2 and Eb3 I will bundle them together = 433 +115 = 548 k

The number 548k only includes the primary applicants from India and does not include family. I used a multiple of 2.1 to average out for primary petitioners, spouses, and dependents.

Total # of Indians in backlog = 548 *2.1 ~ 1.1 Million.

Total available visa under EBI and EB2 ~ 80k.

Under a FCFS system assuming the ROW is current only Indians would get green cards for
1.1 million/80k ~ 13 years.

This is consistent with what USCIS officials have said in the article below that ROW will have to wait for 10+ years.(see citation below) This is also consistent with Stuart Anderson's article that says “within 5 to 7 years after the transition period ends under the bill, the entire employment-based immigrant backlog that existed as of the date of enactment likely will have ended”

The transition period that Stuart is referring to is 3 years.

I have deliberately excluded EB1 because wait for EB1 is only 4 years even for India. as of July 20109

Impact to ROW:

According to my analysis, ROW would have to wait more than 10 years for the backlog to clear before anyone else can get a green card. Most people who apply for employment-based green cards are already here either as students or working under OPT, work Visas etc. This will have a huge impact to their plan if they intend to stay back in the united states.

Impact to China:

Currently, China is backlogged to 2016 in EB2 and 2017 in EB3. Post HR1044 their wait will increase by at least 5 years till the India backlog is cleared. This means if the current wait for Chinese Eb1 and Eb2 is 5 years, post HR1044 that wait will increase to 10+ years.

For Chinese EB5 investors, they are currently processing 2014 applications and no other country is backlogged, so I estimated post-HR1044 EB5 will become current.

Compared to status quo Chinese applicants will always see an increase in wait time regardless of what employment category they apply. Chinese Eb5 investors will become current if HR1044 becomes law.

What can you do it about it:

Call your senator, it is a simple and easy process. There is no wait, you can call your senator in your morning commute and leave a message that you don't support the bill. If the senators realize there is sufficient opposition they will debate the bill more and add amendments. Yes, anybody living in the country legally can call their respective senator.

Instructions are included below.

Reach US senators by calling 202-224-3121. Ask the operator to connect you to the individual office.

https://www.senate.gov/senators/How_to_correspond_senators.htm

Citations
1) Video of Kevin Yoder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OlyKA5MHtI

2) https://www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-advanced-degrees/

3) Uscis official confirms 10 + year wait
https://tennesseestar.com/2019/07/10/commentary-conservatives-and-labor-unite-against-h-r-1044-green-card-expansion-bill/

4) Stuart Anderson HR1044 article with calculations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/02/15/bill-aims-to-end-decades-long-waits-for-high-skilled-immigrants/#758e1dcd7b85

5) Visa bulletin

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2019/visa-bulletin-for-july-2019.html

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TOP 110 Comments
  • LinkedIn 🤞🤞q
    A US citizens’ view:
    Assuming whatever you have said is correct, the Indians waiting in the Queue have waited for a longer time than the people from rest of the world.

    If congress passes a bill to not fast track people from certain low demand countries and rather put all EB immigrants in one queue for each EB type, it is only fair for all the immigrants.

    I don’t view Indians as one entity, they are just individual people who are my co-workers and they got the job as individuals, not as a bunch. I have co-workers from different parts of the world and I would only hope they get best and fair treatment from US immigration irrespective of where they are from.

    So what you are asking is implicitly racist. I would rather call a senator and support the S386 bill.
    Jul 17 27
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      So you are telling me instead of asking the owner why are you charging my fellow immigrant 100$ you went ahead and bought pizza at 5$. Now that it became 50$ you are saying oh no it became 50. Got it. 🙂 Keep the 'i retain my privilege on'.

      I don't care if others are gouged. I care that my pizza is now 50$. Thanks captain. You can never understand what fairness and equality mean. You are so full of selfishness that you can't see what fairness is about. Many citizens here actually agree that you can't screw people based on an immutable characteristic like country of birth.

      You are worse than acker. Acker actually agrees that country caps is unfair. You think it's okay to keep a second class of people based on an immutable characteristic like race or country of birth.

      Also given that you blamed me for not knowing - here is one you should know. Laws always change. Don't you know that ? Can't blame others for not knowing that laws can change anytime in future. ☮️
      Jul 25
    • Oracle embarcoder
      With everything that is going on I read that around 50K Indians applied for green cards in 2019? Are you saying they are all ignorant of the backlog?
      Jul 25
    • Amazon DWIQ53
      Hey google, see, you feel me exactly. I don't care you agreed to pay $100 bucks for pizza, as much as you going to a racist pizzeria, I only care about my 5 bucks and you saw the sign. You know what? Got bad news for you. You picked a wrong country. This bill is never gonna pass, because Americans are racists, deep down, they don't want so many Indians coming here. Wether you want it or not, coming from such a country as India (avoiding using President Trump terminology here), with vastly different culture in large numbers you don't expect to receive the same treatment as Europeans coming here in hundreds, do you? Especially under Trump, with a massive unannounced crackdown on Indian visas, just look at the numbers. l1s are much harder to get now if you're from there. Recently thre've been few SDEs and SDMs L5 and L6s trying to get l1 from Amazon India and they all got it rejected. I, on the other was asked absolutely nothing at the interview and got the stamp in 30 seconds, in silence. The officer didn't even bother to look at my papers. Americans are not going to give you the greencard fast, because probably there're much more Indians who didn't come to the country which openly rejects them, and Trump administration certainly doesn't want to encourage them to change their minds. With backlog gone, those folks will come, and backlog will become 15+ years for everybody. With all that and current administration sentiment do you really expect congress to pass it and Trump to let it become the law? These are the facts of life, my highly-skilled friend, U.S. is racist, and can't pass this bill for a decade for a reason. America does not deserve your talent.
      Jul 25
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      @amzn: if it's not gonna pass why are you responding? It doesn't make sense.

      Amzn, there will be bad and good people everywhere. To think all Americans are racists is your problem. I have faced racism (got kicked out of a restaurant in Midwest for being non white) and I have been treated well too. That will not make me lose hope on fellow folks who have been nice to me.

      May be you don't, but I have more respect for the laws of the land and the ability of these laws to be changed. ☮️
      Jul 25
    • Amazon DWIQ53
      @ Google isn't it obvious lol? I'm writing because the bill is there, it's still in realms of possibility that it may pass, I feel super insecure about it and just repeating the arguments as to why chances of it making it through are slim makes me feel better. Anyway, peace bro. Hope everything works out for you, and everybody gets the greencard.
      Jul 25
  • Uber kisht
    Call your Senator to support the bill!! Can't believe people are adopting and promoting such blatant discrimination against one Nation's people.
    Jul 17 16
    • Amazon acker
      I didn't see any reason from you. Just insults, indicating you have no valid opinion. If you had a way to show that hr1044 would not result in less merit you would. But you don't, do you?

      Just childish insults.

      I have data. You don't.
      Jul 18
    • Oracle SLVT77
      OP
      They have no comebacks, they never do.
      Jul 19
    • Epic Games vydl00
      We just decided there is no point arguing with idiots. I know u believe u r smart. That’s what all idiots believe. If u ever get smart we can argue. Until then not interested.
      Jul 19
    • Amazon acker
      I have noticed that while we have shared data and facts, you have shared insults and personal attacks. We posted the data, which everyone can go and verify.

      I guess everyone with eyes can see that you really don't have anything of substance to communicate.
      Jul 19
    • Athenahealth thulark
      It's sad to see how easily people's emotions can be manipulated by the government. To acker, while what you propose is the correct way forward, do you have confidence that your government will solve for this? vydl00 and others, while I understand that HR1044 comes as a huge relief, why do you ignore the fact that the backlog queue has people of varying skillsets and needs to be categorized and handled?
      Jul 19
  • Oracle SLVT77
    OP
    I am trying to clear the misinformation surrounding this bill, as I have said above this is not a post to debate the merits of the bill.

    This is a post to inform the ROW on the impact of this bill so that they can do what they need to do.
    Jul 17 2
    • LinkedIn 🤞🤞q
      Ending Apartheid and Segregation had some de-merits to the privilege of white people.

      So you would have been against removing them as well then ?
      Jul 17
    • Amazon acker
      India currently gets more than 17% of the greencards even though it is only 17% of world population. It's ALREADY fair.
      Jul 18
  • Amazon
    Amz

    Amazon

    BIO
    Yo-yo Chen
    Amzmore
    Oracle people are so fukin salty. Larry must be owning your ass by RIFing you. This bill won’t pass - you don’t have to try hard to stop as it will never be introduced in senate.
    Jul 18 9
    • Amazon acker
      Oh look racist Indian propaganda that anyone opposed to hr1044 must be Iranian, just like anyone who criticizes Modi is a Pakistani.

      I'm Canadian, racist dude. What nasty personal insults can to come up with now?

      It's an objective and verifiable fact that hr1044 will low the quality of immigrant we get by prioritizing the low quality consulting spam applications that make up 3/5ths of the India backlog.

      Fix that and I'll support the bill.
      Jul 19
    • Oracle HTV65Hy
      All major conservatives voices like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin, Lou Dobbs have spoken out against hr1044 on Twitter. They must all be Iranians too .

      All ROW including Chinese are speaking out against this bill. But continue to stay in your bubble that everyone opposing is Iranian only because that is what IV tells you.
      Jul 19
    • Amazon
      Amz

      Amazon

      BIO
      Yo-yo Chen
      Amzmore
      All the so called conservatives are against DACA and hate Mexican immigrants. That does not make it right. @Acker - By your tone you ABSOLUTELY don’t sound Canadian. You are one angry dude who has already immigrated and hates other immigrants coming into this country. I never called you Iranian but I pointed out the FACT that Iranians are the one posing as Americans. Here is the evidence and it is NOT from IV: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/08/14/iranians-are-posing-as-maga-loving-twitter-trolls-online/amp/
      Jul 19
    • Amazon
      Amz

      Amazon

      BIO
      Yo-yo Chen
      Amzmore
      By the way- I love Canada and Canadians (except for some parts of winters). In fact that is the one country I would have immigrated if I didn’t have a green card.
      Jul 19
    • Amazon acker
      Well I'm Canadian, born and bred. And I'm not angry, you are perceiving me that way because I'm saying something you didn't want to hear.

      I would strongly support hr1044 if it were amended to solve this problem, I really think it's unfair to the 2/5ths of Indians who came to work at good companies.

      But I'm not going to close my eyes to the fact that hr1044 is even more unfair as written today because it prioritizes a lot of people with low skills while making a of people with high skills either wait, or worse, actually leave the US because their visa doesn't allow waiting.

      I don't think that makes me an angry person, just pragmatic.
      Jul 19
  • Oracle SLVT77
    OP
    It’s a very imp issue for lots of people.
    Jul 17 12
    • Microsoft giggitycow
      So better would be just give point based on TC range

      E.g.

      70-150 : 1 point
      150-250 : 2 point
      250-500 : 3 point
      500+ : 4 point

      Anyways it’s not happening anytime soon (atleast by 2020). So we can grab some 🍿 and enjoy others debating pros and cons
      Jul 17
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D cartman++
      Yes points based on TC and taxes paid is a good idea. Then those who make enough points get in, others need to wait. Academics and very highly qualified people from outside can have their EB1A/B, which is a system that is working fine so far.
      Jul 17
    • Amazon acker
      Clear the consulting spam applications out. Without them there never would even have been an India backlog. Really. Spillover would already have cleared the India queue.

      Look at this, 2016 petitions for India, tell me you don't see a glaring problem:
      Jul 18
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D cartman++
      👆This doesn't even account for lot of smaller bodyshops that work under the subcontracting model. So a big IT firm will bid a contract with a big American company, and then subcontract that project to a bodyshop. There are hundreds of those bodyshops in NJ. If you aggregate their perms, I am sure they will be in the upper hundreds if not thousands.
      Jul 18
    • Oracle SLVT77
      OP
      Not hundreds try thousands
      Jul 18
  • Oracle SLVT77
    OP
    Once again, the objective of this post is to clarify the actual impact to ROW. I seen a lot of comments by Indians saying that the impact will be a few months to 2 to 3 years, this is verifiably false, yet some people continue to peddle the same lies.

    The have even started a petition bundling Indians and Chinese together when this bill simply does not help Chinese!

    It’s of paramount importance for students, researchers, IT workers from ROW to understand what is at stake for them.
    Jul 17 2
    • Uber ndada
      I notice that you don’t point out, without these bills, Indians would effectively have a wait time of 70 to 100 years just using your own math.
      Basically effectively shutting down Indian employment based immigration altogether.
      Jul 18
    • Oracle SLVT77
      OP
      How is it shutting down Indian emp based immigration ? Every year around 25k Indians get emp based GC, more than any other country in the world.

      I have also pointed out that the solution to a problem should not be to spread the problem around.

      Ask for a small carve out to for merit based fast track GC for countries that are backlogged, Trump would love to support you and it would be good beta for his points based immigration proposal.

      All this could have been easily discussed if Indians and IV did not simply try to censor opposing voices on blind and elsewhere.
      Jul 18
  • Microsoft giggitycow
    Don’t worry it’s never gonna pass. Even if Rand Paul removes his objection and it gets pass in Senate, Trump will veto it as he wants to push his merit based immigration (which doesn’t exist yet).

    PS - Indian here waiting for PERM to get filed and I don’t care whether it gets passed or not. Before anyone trolls, here is my reason:

    Current State : Will never get GC. Work for few years - earn and cherish life (instead of wasting my energy to get GC)
    If it gets passed : Still will not be seeing GC in next 10 years. So again will be stuck in limbo

    Now Important part - TC or GTFO
    Jul 17 3
    • Microsoft / Eng HINs46
      Trump might not veto. Not a good idea to fire against bipartisan support.
      On the other hand, the bill will not get to floor vote without some underwater consensus from Trump. Senators aren't stupid.
      Jul 18
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D cartman++
      I think if this bill gets any serious traction, it will end up the same way as CIR of 2007. Americans all over have a favorable view of immigration but don't like those who break the rules. When they grasp the full impact of this bill, they will start calling their senators and this bill will be dumped for good.
      Jul 18
    • Microsoft / Eng HINs46
      Agree cartman. Hope that will happen.
      I don't like depending on a flaky old man, even some people think he's clever (while some don't).
      Jul 18
  • Qualtrics / Eng yuef61
    Good post, whether you agree or not you have to appreciate the details provided here. What is really quiet disturbing is the flagging and removal of completely reasonable comments that are not abrasive or insulting. Suppressing and ignoring others opinions instead of debating is, in my opinion, everything that’s going wrong in this world at the moment.
    Jul 18 2
    • Oracle SLVT77
      OP
      Indian dont like to have an open debate on this bill. They immediately accuse everyone of racism if they oppose this bill, these instructions have been passed down from their lobbyist and the IV group.

      I personally know lots of smart Indians and I am very disappointed that they have taken this position.

      Firstly, I dont necessarily oppose remove the country cap filter, what I would like to see is replace the country cap with a better filter that sorts by skills.. otherwise it simply defaults to FCFS. FCFS has no place in a skilled based immigration category.

      I think there is universal agreement that no matter which country you come from the most skilled person in a given category must get GC first, everybody can get behind this position. But to ask everyone from the rest of the world to wait 10+ years so that low skilled IT workers applied first is not reasonable in my opinion nor is it in the best interest of the country.

      Also what really grinds my wheels is that even Zoe Lofgren only brings up doctors in all debates/speeches on the floor. This is very deceptive because doctors make up less than 4% of those in the backlog albeit they been waiting just as long.

      I am OK even creating a separate line for doctors, and freezing kids priority dates. I do acknowledge the problem but I dont agree with the solution proposed.

      If only there was an open debate about this issue reasonable minds would have prevailed and we would have had a real solution.
      Jul 18
    • Microsoft belleseat
      There will always be bad group of people in any. However, there are no ones stopping the abuse from the same side in Blind. That shows the quality of posters who support the bill is extremely low compared to the counterpart. I also see the low quality at work and my friends also express the same. I think this is a negative effect when one group has a dominant power and abuses the system. Hiring and promotion had been one sided as well. Really disappointing well educated upper middle class people are ganging up to act like a mafia for their own good instead of appreciating for what they have and try to contribute to humanity in any manner.
      Jul 18
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Oath Atinlay2
      The community should get to decide what stays and goes. We don’t need heavy handed moderation by an overlord. That goes against the spirit of Blind.

      This is a daily post for you.
      Jul 17
    • Microsoft belleseat
      It is not community when the platform is vulnerable to abuse by a few users. It is not like a panel is reviewing it. Let’s say there are two parties with different opinions in the country. When one side kidnap all of the people on the other side, what happens? If there is no law or police around, will it function fine? There is only a single voice. That is not a decision by community.
      Jul 17
  • Amazon acker
    Excellent post OP
    Jul 18 0
  • Oracle SLVT77
    OP
    @Acker, Indians are doing to blind what they wish to do to immigration. They are trying to break it with their sheer numbers. We have reported this to blind and they have taken note and fixed the algorithm. If you feel your post has been taken down unfairly please dm me.
    Jul 19 0
  • Oracle SLVT77
    OP
    Edited the post, there was an error in Chinese EB5 calculations. Chinese EB5 will become current if HR1044 becomes law. Among the Chinese, the EB5 category applicants are the only ones who will benefit.
    Jul 18 0
  • Oracle embarcoder
    Check out this well reasoned letter by NAMSA(Nigerian American Multi Service Association) speaking out against HR1044. As more countries become aware of this bill they will resist.

    https://twitter.com/supallofus/status/1154072466362265600/photo/1
    Jul 25 3
    • Epic Games vydl00
      All these people who were enjoying at the expense of Indians are going to complain. None of this matters.
      Jul 25
    • Oracle embarcoder
      How did they enjoy at the expense of Indians ? Entire African region got 5 k GC the same year that India got 24 k GC
      Jul 26
    • Epic Games vydl00
      Can’t argue with a dud
      Jul 26
  • Oath Atinlay2
    @belleseat. I disagree. This is just a topic that triggers you for some reason. Clearly it triggers others in the opposite direction.

    Either way, this topic has been discussed over and over again. It’s technically a troll post because you’re doing it to get a rise out of people.
    Jul 17 0
  • Microsoft Up yours
    Btw there is a problem in OP's numbers, total pending applications for Indians are around 271k, so total including dependents would be arnd 550k.
    Now total visa in eb2, eb3 are 80k, but u also get leftovers from EB5 and eb1. Now, in general if this law passes EB1 queue would be done in 1 year and assuming freshly filed EB1 are around 20k (too high). So assuming we get all left overs, we are left with 100k, which means everything will become current in arnd 5 years. Now, if u break it down, EB 2 which has highest backlog (216000) will take longer, probably arnd 7 years considering 432 k total ppl (1:1 dependent ratio) and 60k visa available each year. Eb3 would be faster (55k applicants, arnd 120k total) and 40k available visa and should be done in arnd 3 years.
    I hope my math is correct but this means anyone who was saying backlogs would be mostly cleared in 3 years isn't really wrong, although it would be for a specific category .
    Jul 22 5
    • Microsoft Up yours
      Also since someone mentioned above that there is case of Chinese backlog as well, total Chinese backlog in eb2 and eb3 is arnd 20k (16k eb2 and 4k eb3), so it doesn't really change eb3 numbers, but probably adds an year to eb2.
      As for data being old, Cato data was from April 2018, so in an year, even if we assume worst, it won't be more than 20k new petitions added. So that doesn't change it terribly as well especially for eb3.
      Although in reality once this happens people will downgrade from eb2->eb3, so it is possible that they might both average out to be arnd 5 years.
      Jul 22
    • Microsoft oppensive
      Thanks. I am not Indian and your logic makes sense to me. To minimize backlash though, perhaps we should comprise to some degree such as increasing the quota to 30% instead of removing it. If there are more countries hitting the limit, perhaps allow this increase to max 3 countries or divide the quota of 75% to each country evenly.

      I would also suggest putting quota per industry and country in H1B and L1. This will reduce the influx to GC as well. Prevailing wage needs something to prevent companies from providing low salary, per job area. We should also limit Visas for outsourcing companies which defeat the purpose of highly skilled worker Visa. This will give opportunities for the people in high demand job over cheaper cost per labor job. It will also give the room for other qualified applicants in various areas to get a job.
      Jul 22
    • Amazon and win
      Up yours, there are over 100k new petitions a year. I'm not sure how many but it's a lot, between L visas and h1b's. You're also forgetting that new applications will continue to come in faster than they can be cleared so the queue basically never does clear, it's only going to get longer.

      And that's my biggest problem with it: if we're going to change a law we need to make it so annual i140 petitions balance the number of greencards.

      The existence of a queue at all implies they are not balanced. The only way to get a queue ever is to have more applications than spots.

      So really maybe the solution would focus on limiting the number of i140s, maybe with a lottery, or some points system, or something. Then it doesn't matter about country cap or anything else because there will never be a backlog.

      (Country cap should be removed because it's unfair but if incoming i140 is less than i485 approvals then spillover wipes out the backlog anyway regardless).
      Jul 22
    • Microsoft Up yours
      Agreed with you oppensive, I think over time this system will not work and will have to be replaced. Even this bill caps it at 85-90% for first 3 years but the sheer volume will be enough to kill it.
      I guess they will have to start imposing stricter h1b and L1 rules eventually with way higher salary than what it is today.

      and win, number of h1b or L1 doesn't matter, number of i140 petition matter, so even if 100k visa holders came in, a very small percentage ever apply for i140. Data backing this is simple, look at the image which someone posted for number of i140 petition last year, it's less than 12k for India. Also majority of h1b goes to services companies like TCS or Infosys and they rarely file i140 (again see data backing this where TCS and insosys had less than 1k applications in total).

      As for balancing petitions with number of greencard, I don't think that's the aim of government, they do want some queues and some semblance of this being an important thing. If number of green cards were more, then obv this problem will not exist. They might get strict about visa in future (see rejection rates today) and that might reduce it a bit, but it won't be the end
      Jul 22
    • Amazon and win
      I'm talking about i140, it's a huge number of petitions every year. FAR more than the 140k greencards every year (counting family). If it were less there wouldn't be a queue, it would be getting shorter not longer.

      You can fix it either by making GC's more, or i140s less. Either way. But so long as i140s exceed GC spots you are going to get a queue that grows without limit until it's 100 years long again.

      Hr1044 shuffles who suffers from the problem, while doing nothing to fix the problem. I'd like to see a cap on annual i140s and a one time processing of everyone in the entire queue--do them all in one year and then make it so there's never a queue again.

      I mean, ideally we eliminate h1b and L visas completely and just replace them with 140s capped at some number. Let the greencard be the only work permit. Why ever issue a dual intent visa? People can just give up their residency card if they want to leave.
      Jul 23
  • Qualcomm pulsar14
    No, the 433k and 115k already includes spouse and children.This is quite clear in the cato doc you referenced and the associated USCIS data. So the wait time is half what you describe.
    Jul 19 1
    • Amazon acker
      But it doesn't include the Chinese backlog, and the India backlog has grown by another year or more since that analysis.

      So add all that, at least another couple hundred thousand, and it's well over ten years.
      Jul 20
  • Microsoft Up yours
    How abt increasing the total percentage of employment based GC. If the whole system is supposed to be based on skills, then having just 12% employment based GC doesn't make sense. Probably aim for making it like 50% in next 5 years. Doing that and removing per country cap will solve the problem with least impact to everyone.
    Now as for people in queue not being skilled, i guess that boat has already sailed, if they wanted system to be abt skills they should have been strict abt it during i140 filling. USCIS can do it going forward and reduce it in future, skills will always be a subjective criteria and for sure will always have debates.

    Btw as for the data shown above, out of 12 companies only 2 are India service companies are rest are all American(Cognizant is an American company not indian). Typically Indian service providers hardly file GC and rather prefer rotating people back and forth.
    Jul 22 7
    • Amazon and win
      The US also needs lots and lots of regular workers. Unemployment is at an all time low and most of those jobs pay $50k or so. We also need waiters, taxi drivers, construction workers, salesmen, etc.

      The theory is that for all those jobs just anyone can do it makes sense to bring in relatives of Americans. People who will have family to help them integrate and get settled and family who will serve as a safety net if things get tough.

      Employment based immigration is the exception: even though you don't have any family network to help you we figure that you have good enough skills that you'll be ok anyway.

      I think in blind people get myopic and think their own case is the universal case or the priority. It's not. Family immigration delivers the majority of workers, into jobs where competing in education and skills isn't so important.

      That's actually the larger share of the economy.
      Jul 22
    • Microsoft Up yours
      Hmm that's an interesting viewpoint, although did u meant to say employment is at an all time low, if yes that isn't correct, it's rather other way around.
      As for people getting a myopic view, probably because they are part of a certain section of economy and those are the conditions they knw abt.
      Now as for family based immigration providing majority of regular workers, is there any data backing that up, I am sure someone would have done study on it. Would be interesting to read on what sectors of economy they benefit.

      Also isn't there a visa based program for regular workers like H2B atleast for certain industries, would it be interesting to increase that as well.
      Jul 22
    • Amazon and win
      Yeah edited, I meant unemployment is at an all time low. The data would be that overall unemployment rate is low so these immigrants are finding jobs.
      Jul 22
    • Amazon and win
      Yeah there are temporary work permits for low skilled workers but that's small compared to the number of permanent immigrants via family immigration.

      Actually the EB3 preference includes 10,000 visas for people in unskilled work but where there is a labor shortage. That's usual farm labor where for whatever reason Americans don't want the jobs.
      Jul 22
    • Microsoft Up yours
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