Anti-Immigrant

Visa / Eng BoboNomics
Nov 26, 2017 106 Comments

Why is the United States, as a whole becoming so anti-immigrant. I understand that the US wants the ‘best and the brightest’, but is it not true that there are many people who don’t fit in the ‘best and the brightest’ category but can still be really productive and overall beneficial members of American society? Why push them away? The US does not lack resources. The US does not lack space. I can imagine a USA with 450-500 million population, doing great.

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  • Microsoft top kek
    I don’t believe the US is becoming anti immigrant. The issue is with illegal immigration and unchecked immigration. The left makes it seem as if there is rising xenophobia for political reasons.

    There is a massive drug problem right now and a porous border is largely responsible for that. It’s not fair to legal immigrants to protect illegal immigrants so strongly. There is also a significant population of people who want to enter the US specifically to kill as many Americans as possible. Many on the left think having wide open borders can only benefit us. But we see the effects of that approach, as well as what is going on in Europe with immigration and that is both unrealistic and dangerous.
    Nov 26, 2017 26
    • Expedia thankful
      I just googled. India built a wall/fence on bangladesh border that is over 2000 miles long. India had same issue as US has. Indian military patrols and have shoot at sight order. Any blinder from India to verify how is it working?
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Expedia thankful
      IMHO, walls wont help. Need enforcement of laws. First, issue a color coded finger print photo ID to every legal resident. Track overstayed visitor visas and deport without hearing. Donot issue visa to pregnant visitors when dekicery dare is close. Second link every service, benefit etc to this ID. No service, even medical.
      Next hefty fines for businesses hiring with ID. Even if it means shutting down business. No walls needed.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Starbucks lKzQ65
      “An eight-foot-high fence of barbed wire, electrified in some stretches, runs along roughly 70 percent of this border. It is an intimidating structure but it hasn’t deterred Bangladeshi migrants anxious to cross into India to visit relatives or in search of livelihood security from making the perilous journey. Smugglers, drug couriers, human traffickers, and cattle rustlers from both sides of the border too continue to cross the border to ply their trade, often with the connivance of Indian and Bangladeshi border guards.

      “Border fences rarely work to stop migration,” observes Reece Jones, associate professor at the University of Hawaii and author of Violent Borders: Refugees and the Right to Move. Most borders, he points out “are too long and too lightly guarded to have an impact on people moving through that space.” Apparently not effective @thankful . Which would be the logical conclusion securing 1000s of miles of border in remote inhospitable terrain isn’t practical. The best way to stop illegal immigration is to make the system as straight forward as possible so people don’t need to OR make it so people won’t need to immigrate. A lot of our trade policies have created a lot of poverty for people across the border (Farm subsidies, open trade, etc)
      Nov 27, 2017
    • BlackBerry 🤖Native👽
      No one is paying for that wall except for you Cabrón!
      Nov 27, 2017
    • BlackBerry 🤖Native👽
      The wall India is building along its border with Bangladesh is simply to appease its own stupids (the ones who can vote). They know the wall won’t stop determined Bangladeshis
      Nov 27, 2017
  • Cisco / Eng Smsht
    The economy is changing and many jobs are no longer needed but there is a need in other specialities. Since many middle aged american workers aren't willing to re-train they prefer to think that it is immigrants fault they no longer have a job. They do not want to admit immigrants came here for the jobs they didn't want to take. On the other hand there is some truth to that with Indian bodyshops supplying hundreds of thousands of mediocre tech workers (not including those who are on L visa). It helps to bring down the costs (they often pay a senior engineer a junior's salary and jeep them on a visa leash for many years). And obviously Americans sense that it is done to cut costs rather than bring the resources that US is lacking. On the other hand without them US companies may have outsourced more in order to cut the costs, at least this may money stays in the local economy.
    Nov 26, 2017 17
    • Cisco / Eng Smsht
      Well, US is already doing it. People from countries with low migration rates get GC in a year after getting their H1. The quota is being hit only by the countries with high migration rates and it is exactly the form of limiting migration and protecting the supply and demand, as well as the diversity of the US population.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • AppDynamics c!5c0
      @Smsht, when you say "migration rate" what do you mean exactly? I ask because the countries with backlogs also happen to be the countries with large population numbers too.

      Specifically, would you support a proposal to consider all of EU as a single country for immigration purposes?
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Cisco / Eng Smsht
      c!5c0, countries might not be the best construct but the goal is to preserve ethnic diversity of the US. The whole population of the US could fit one large Chinese city. The current system is not fair towards large countries with multi ethnic population (like Canada) and also makes it unfairly easier for people born in smaller countries with the same ethnicity as a large country hitting the cap. However, it helps US to prevent the dominance of a particular ethnic group and slow down the process to allow those immigrants to assimilate and blend with the rest of US population. So to answer your question, for the purpose of its goal USCIS correctly treats EU countries as individual states.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • AppDynamics c!5c0
      @Smsht, //The current system is not fair towards large countries with multi ethnic population (like Canada) and also makes it unfairly easier for people born in smaller countries with the same ethnicity as a large country hitting the cap.//
      The current system also unfairly favor people from tiny splintered European countries with similar ethnicity.
      Hence, IMO, treating all of EU as a single country would be fairer implementation of the ideal you stated. Such a policy would also have the benefit of drawing attention to the racial bias of such policies. It also remains an open question if such an ideal needs to be implemented for the 14% skilled immigrants.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Cisco / Eng Smsht
      c!5c0, small European countries with the same ethnicity don't hit the quota altogether. Largest countries like UK, Germany or France have pretty distinct ethnicities. Also this should warm your heart: "The share of Europeans among the total U.S. foreign-born population plunged from 75 percent in 1960 to 11 percent in 2014, as immigration from Latin America and Asia surged to new prominence".
      Nov 27, 2017
  • Oracle Xyop
    We don’t even want the best and the brightest anymore. It’s just straight up nativism.
    Nov 26, 2017 0
  • Microsoft 10ftTaller
    Trump is anti illegal immigrants but fake news drop the “illegal” word and report as though he hates all immigrants. I’m puzzled as why so many educated people fall for this.
    Nov 26, 2017 10
    • Amazon / Sales AmzzSeattl
      Lol Facebook are you from India and need to bring 20 people over? It is understandable to bring your spouse and children, but all the cousins, grandparents etc are clogging up the Visa process for other countries trying to get through.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      AmzzSeattl - if you actually spent time looking up information, you would know that there is a country wise split for PR and one country can’t clog up another. You would also know that the backlog for family visa is highest for Mexico not India. I know facts don’t matter in this Trump era but spend time educating yourself.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Microsoft 10ftTaller
      There are quotas for countries but applications still take up resources. Deprioritizing chain migration in favor of high skill is the right thing to do.

      Chain migration has been abused by the dems to manipulate voter demographic. The Mexicans uniformly vote dem/big government and are very pro illegal, which lead to more dem voters and electoral count for states like CA.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      It’s always fun when Trump undermines his team or supporters by tweeting something contradictory. In this case thanks for tweeting some fake Islamophobic videos proving the point that xenophobia is on the rise. Can’t wait for Kushner’s guilty plea next. So excited !!!!
      Dec 2, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      It could be argued that chain migration is exploited by Mexicans. If Republicans weren’t racist and xenophobic, maybe just maybe Mexicans would vote Republican. Look at yourself in the mirror and admit your faults.
      Dec 2, 2017
  • New wqYn57
    No, the term is NOT "undocumented immigrant." Stop with that BS already. They are here ILLEGALLY.
    Nov 26, 2017 0
  • Nintendo / IT . 🐈.
    As others have said it's not becoming anti immigrant, but what others haven't said is it has always been xenophobic.

    Study up on the history of the United States. We are culturally xenophobic. Look at how in the 1800s the following people were treated in the US
    German immigrants
    Irish immigrants
    Chinese immigrants
    Japanese immigrants

    Look to ww1 and why we didn't join the fray till the very last minute. Have the same look at ww2.

    Look at our long standing relationship with Mexico. Maybe the Spanish American War? How about in the early 1900s how the first out break of swine flu was blamed viciously on those south of our boarder.

    Heck, I am sure you know about the Japanese internment camps in ww2, but drop the skin color and look up the German American internment camps.

    It's not even racism, that's the funny common misconception, it's fear of outsiders and it runs rife in the US, it always has. And the first thing that goes wrong they are the easy target for whatever reason, usually due to culture clash.

    Tl;Dr America has always been xenophobic because history is an endless waltz.
    Nov 27, 2017 11
    • Nintendo / IT . 🐈.
      Ah this is where you and I disagree, this isn't just the left. It's both sides of the aisle, well fascism name calling is at least.

      We really like comparing people to nazis.

      As for racism, sexism, etc it absolutely exists on both sides of the aisle. That said, yeah left slings the words at the right.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Intel Keke123
      This is a cop out. Non Europeans didn’t historically venture out, conquer and enslave other cultures. Sure, they treated their folks poorly but so did everyone else; that’s the only common ground. To call these “human traits” is not owning up to your own very special sins!!
      Jul 30, 2018
    • Microsoft / Sales
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      I guess the Moores were Europeans, China also European, kashmir so not an issue of expansionism
      Jul 31, 2018
    • Intel Keke123
      Kashmir?
      Jul 31, 2018
    • Microsoft / Sales
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      That northern Indian region that has been a point of contention between India and Pakistan for quite some time
      Jul 31, 2018
  • Microsoft tribute
    It ls all BS. America is not becoming anti-immigrants. I'm an immigrant myself and I dont feel unwelcomed in this country or threatened by the current administration. These are all fake news spread by Goerge Soros the evil, and his Antifa fan boys who are trying to promote complete anarchy in this country. Dont buy into the leftists bullshit. If the sun doesnt shine from their ass, they call it the moon.
    Nov 26, 2017 5
    • Facebook day9
      Happy that you haven’t faced the rising anti immigrant sentiment. Some of us have seen and suffered from it. So if you didn’t discount anything you haven’t seen personally , that will be helpful.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Microsoft tribute
      Which anti-immigrant sentiment have you been facing while working in your ivory tower at FB ?
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      My friend had abuses hurled at him and asked to go back just after the Election. I had a guy follow me from a Starbucks in SF ,question what I do , if I have documents and again hurl some abuse. Yeah it exists even here in the Bay Area.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      Ivory tower at FB ? Some serious inferiority complex going on at MSFT ?
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Credit Karma Johmy
      Well some white dudes in Richmond California hurled slurs, pulled a sikh man from his car, beat him and cut his hair earlier this year. Minutemen “protested” immigrants in a South Asian neighborhood in Fremont - but if a tech dude doesn’t face hostility, then I guess nothing’s going on.
      Nov 28, 2017
  • Microsoft 10ftTaller
    Most of these concerns come from American SJWs virtue signaling. Legal immigrants have no problems seeing through the fake news fear mongering. They were never brainwashed by the PC propaganda, and many actually support Trump immigration reform proposal. Sorry SJW libs, legal immigrants don’t need you to feel sorry for them. Now go hug the illegals but don’t lump them with the legal ones. And they still have to go back.
    Nov 27, 2017 4
    • Cisco / Eng Smsht
      Trump looks to cut all immigration, legal or illegal. His plan hits legal immigrants even more than illegals (DACA is hit the most on illegal side).
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Microsoft 10ftTaller
      Cutting the abuse like chain migration (think grandpas aunts uncles) and low wage H1B “consultants” sounds good to me.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Cisco / Eng Smsht
      Why would legal migrants want to cut their own parents the chance to become US permanent residents?
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      Chain migration is legal whether you like it or not. If it’s being cut, legal migration is being cut. Don’t change facts to fit your story.
      Dec 2, 2017
  • Facebook public
    The majority of Americans welcome immigration but the minority (Trump) is in power so expect declines in immigration for the next 7 years.
    Nov 26, 2017 3
    • Amazon / Sales AmzzSeattl
      Legal immigration is welcome. This is your opinion and not representative of all Americans.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook day9
      That’s a lie . Trump wants to cut legal migration.
      Dec 2, 2017
    • Amazon / Product Section X
      The legal immigration system is very inefficient, as it rewards chain migration, visa lottery, quotas for countries, and mass import of lower skilled workers. The RAISE bill is a great improvement.
      Dec 10, 2017
  • Microsoft / Sales
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    Trump is touting a merit based system, so the best and the brightest will have preferred visa status, the issue is not legal immigrants it's the illegals who are taking the few blu collar jobs left... Having said that, I also believe that cracking down on employers who hire illegals will help solve the problem... After all supply is dictated by demand.
    Nov 26, 2017 0
  • Uber GMie27
    The Bay Area does lack resources. So many homeless on the street. The Bay Area does lack spaces. Even a small house is sold for more than $1m.
    Nov 26, 2017 5
    • Visa / Eng BoboNomics
      OP
      What do you think is a better option for this specific problem? A) Having immigrants beholden to their employer for their legal status B) Economically liberated immigrants who will make rational decisions in their self-interest? (Moving to a lower COL place)
      Nov 26, 2017
    • Microsoft EDC2017
      Imagine if someone like Jeff Bezos decided to open an Amazon HQ in an area not in CA. It would leave to infrastructure investments, more money pouring in, labor market improving, etc. It would be a prime example of the private sector doing something the public sector cannot do for the greater good.

      Of course, this probably doesn’t make business sense to amazon, so it would be hard to convince a private Corp to do such a thing.
      Nov 26, 2017
    • Microsoft $oftie$
      Blaming this on immigrants is a far stretch. Most countries will have some overpopulated cities with starving homeless people. That has nothing to do immigration.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Starbucks lKzQ65
      Idk with the tax breaks and city infrastructure investment a company like amazon would want to “sweeten the deal” the benefits are still there but usually not as much as people assume. The taxpayer subsidizes a lot of the costs.
      Nov 27, 2017
    • Uber GMie27
      I don’t know what’s a better option. But I do know the reasoning makes no sense even if the conclusion is correct.
      Nov 27, 2017
  • Intel / Eng Litecoin
    We’re tired of Mexicans Chinese and Indians. Where are the Swedish, Polish, Finnish, and Czech Chicks!!!!!
    Dec 29, 2017 3
    • Oracle Xyop
      You think attractive women from socialist democracies want to leave behind their higher quality of life to live in a country close to over turning Roe V Wade, is hostile to birth control and elected Trump? Sorry son - they don’t come here because of loser Republicans line you.
      Dec 31, 2017
    • Guidewire Lawn
      ^I second Xyop.
      Dec 31, 2017
    • Intel / Eng Litecoin
      I know you guys are so for diversity, how many Indians & Chinese are your coworkers? How many Scandinavians and Eastern/Central Europeans.

      I’m Just sayin we need diversity 😜
      Dec 31, 2017
  • PayPal bearebel36
    Guys , nobody is a saint here, Democrats are corrupt and Republicans are reckless, both of them deported illegal immigrants and did not improve the broken immigration system for legal immigrants ...., the only difference is the degree to which they're doing things... ultimately no one cares about immigrants , they only need them as long as they need em , typical capitalism ...
    Nov 27, 2017 0
  • Bank of The West / Other
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    USA needs immigrants but with the trump era the thought process has been changed or manipulated. Immigration and immigrants are being looked up as second class outsiders who are somehow less American and are responsible for all the problems.

    It’s very much visible around the country as it was never before. This isn’t going to survive though and is a phase (good or bad depends on how left or right leaning you are)

    If trump is serious he should hire American only and make his own products in USA, that’s leading by example. If he can ever do so we can expect other corporations to follow somehow but last I checked corporate are for profit so they do what makes them look at the stock market. Push all immigrant techies out of country and see how jobs will he sent out of USA hurting the economy. There isn’t a simple good solution so someone got to take hit with one policy vs the other.

    Cheers
    Nov 26, 2017 0
  • Microsoft APIU33
    Well seasonal (harvest) workers do the work Americans don’t want to do, considering they are likely paid way less that what an American would want to be paid.
    This wouldn’t be a problem if Americans were willing to pay more for their produce.
    While the following doesn’t apply to every student in America but most likely aren’t interested in the technology field due to the volatility of the industry, sexual harassment, bullying and discrimination.
    Add the fact that perhaps most American students expect to be handed great jobs with little effort therefore don’t work that hard and are then passed up by companies for foreign workers.
    Or perhaps students work so hard at making ends meet and get mired in so much debt they can’t focus on being the best and brightest while in school which leads to this anti-immigrant sentiment.
    Companies can also pay less for foreign talent or is that not true?
    Nov 26, 2017 0
  • Credit Karma Johmy
    The economy sucks and immigrants are scapegoats for 40 years of stagnation for the population (while productivity and value produced by US (native or non-native) has skyrocketed.

    For politicians of both parties (bill Clinton made arguments similar to Trump) aren’t going to say: in the late 70s we started to decide that lowering popular expectations and living standards would help companies be more profitable while also making the workforce more precarious and pliable. So instead, they pit different segments of the population against eachother.

    Historically anti-immigrant sentiment tracks downturns in the economy. In California anti-Chinese sentiment was encouraged by the growers and the newspapers during a long downturn at the end of the 1800s. In the early and mid 90s anti-immigrant sentiment increased after a recession with a sluggish recovery (for the population, not for investing in bubbles).

    Immigration declined during the last recession but anti-immigrant sentiment has risen in another “recovery” that has left many people working similar jobs for less pay or benefits.

    In short people opposed to immigration are history’s dunces and dupes for the rich and politically powerful.
    Nov 28, 2017 0
  • Microsoft / Sales
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    The problem is that people have been told that they have a RIGHT to live at a certain standard, reality should be that the RIGHT is the right to have the opportunity to work and achieve that standard (the American dream). This was achieved by blurring the lines of what the middle class is. They removed the proletariat from the equation, therefore blending skilled and low skilled workers expectations. Illegal immigrants hit hard on the low skilled workers in this country, the little small manufacturing, farming and construction industries left are populated with low skilled illegal workers who require lower wages, unfortunately the American workers expectation is six figures flipping burgers, washing dishes or picking crops. This rhetoric has helped the political class but has destroyed our workforce.
    Nov 29, 2017 3
    • Cisco / Eng Mylady
      Why do you mix legal and illegal immigration? I thought OP's question was based on highly skilled legal immigrants experience hearing anti-immigrant rhetoric.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Credit Karma Johmy
      Deskilling, job reduction, pay stagnation on the macro level are the result of Taylorism and automation investing, not immigrants.

      As for undocumented workers, it’s the legal repression and lack of rights that allow them to be bullied in the economy. Funny how there are tons of formerly paid jobs that are done as free internships now but no one blames interns for “taking jobs” and no one says interns do the jobs that paid employees would refuse.

      Decreases in pay and respect and increases in amount of productivity expected have everything to do with the balance of power between employee and employer. For the past 40 years both parties have given more freedoms to employers (right to work laws, union-busting etc) and that is how we have ended up here.
      Nov 29, 2017
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      I'm not mixing legal and illegal, this administration is in favor of skilled immigration, filling jobs that need skilled labor does not depress wages.
      Nov 29, 2017
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    What has changed for women this year Factually? Nothing... Just a lot of noise... And nipples tweeking
    Dec 31, 2017 0
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    "becoming"

    That said the US probably still has one of the most leinent and generous systems out there, which is kind of cool and sad at the same time.
    Dec 4, 2017 0

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