Been at Google >6 years, L4, $270k TC.
Looking at the open Sr Full Stack SWE position:
My questions are:
- What's it like? Are you happy, or thinking about leaving?
- What are the working hours like? I see other SWE position listings say "Willing to work extended hours and weekends when needed" under the "Additional Requirements" section, which the Full Stack position does not have. Does that actually imply fewer hours? I'm comfortable working 45-50hrs a week but 55+ regularly would be rough.
- What's the pay like? I'm assuming I would have to take a massive pay cut- is that correct, or could SpaceX actually be competitive with $270k?
Been at Google >6 years, L4, $270k TC.
- Maybe so. I'm just so fucking sick of ads. I want to work on something that matters. Something where I can be excited about the goal and proud of what I work on. And something that's not going to be cancelled or turned into a chat app. Finally, has to be in LA, or at least not the Bay Area. If anyone has any other suggestions, I'm all ears.
- I've thought about switching teams at G, but not sure where I could switch to. One thing that really inspires me about SpaceX is that they've clearly laid out their milestones and target dates and have been making rapid progress towards those milestones while simultaneously being transparent about the challenges they face. I'm interested in Waymo, but they're totally opaque. Their end goal is a self-driving car service, and I think that's great, but even internally they don't share milestones or target dates, and definitely not the challenges they face. I have no idea if they're actually making progress or not, and definitely have no idea of if or when they'll launch. Maybe that's what I'm really looking for in a job:
1. Clearly defined goal that will benefit others in some tangible way.
2. Set of milestones with target dates.
3. Clear progress towards those milestones.
4. Being open about challenges.
And that's hard to find at Google unfortunately.Apr 60
- SpaceX SlaveX420Target dates are a joke. They change wildly based on Elons whims and how much money we have left. There's not a lot of transparency inside SpaceX we learn things from Elons Twitter feed then later laugh about how much its twisted BS. Clear progress... if Elon didnt keep changing his is mind we would be a lot further along.Apr 170
- LinkedIn rentinmoreThey pay way less, work way more, 100 hours is not unheard of. They work for the mission and passion, you need to share the same belief and work style as Elon.
- Most people are pretty content with their jobs as long as they know what they signed up for. You'd definitely be expected to work 55+. The pay won't be competitive with Google.
- Damn. And to confirm, that's not just being in the office 55+ hours per week, or just in front of a computer 55+ hours per week, but actually writing code or sitting in a meeting for 55+ hours per week? So, +6 or +7 hours/week of being in the office but not actively working and another +7 or +8 hours/week of commuting?
- @Uber - TC isn't comparable because it doesn't really need to be... People are willing to work for SpaceX regardless. I would expect perhaps 70% of the TC of a comparable Google offer, for example.
@Google - 55 hours working... Not necessarily in the office, could be WFH but definitely being productive (not like answering emails, for example)
- Cool, makes sense. And I appreciate all the responses. I'll hold off on applying right now though. I bought a house fairly recently and have been putting 15-20hrs/week into it, and I really enjoy having that time. Once I get the major projects wrapped up I should have significantly more free time and working 55-60hrs/week should be doable.
- SpaceX / EngplokjimnbThey can actually match your current TC level but at least a third will be just on paper with no idea when liquidity events will happen or when it zeroes out. And future comp will totally depend on the equity holdings - they don't go too far up from there. We pick up engineers from FANG often you wouldn't be aloneApr 110