It's frustrating seeing so many obviously wrong comments being upvoted on reddit about Facebook "selling data" or "listening to their phones" when any layperson should have been smart enough to figure out that that is not their business model after today's testimony, and that they wouldn't give up their multibillion dollar business lying about it on oath. Zuck explained it at least 3 times ffs. Selling targeted ad spaces is very much different from selling PII. Like I don't work for Facebook but holy shit are regular people this misinformed about tech. It's really pissing me off for some reason. I wonder if it's the same for people in other fields when their profession makes the news.
Ironic, this comes from the guys (Google, Facebook) whose bread and butter to sell users data. The only reason these companies give free service is to sell goods to users and constantly mine users data and get them to shops. Apple doesn’t make money by using our data. Atleast, Apple doesn’t say “Don’t do evil kinda BS mantra”. Google and Facebook are by far the most evil companies on the planet.
So you're believing Zucc's testimony?
Yes, and why not? He wouldn't risk the business and lie under oath. He's too smart for that.
There’s a clear domain knowledge difference between the people asking him questions, and him. Anyone with even a little bit of tech literacy knows that several of the questions asked were loaded. Some of the questions were full on stupid. We need to have tech literate people grilling him, not old people that know next to nothing about tech.
As someone who's tech literate, I believe their current practices are the ones he mentioned(regarding monetization, ad serving, challenges of not being able to give exact retention rate when the industry practice is to just mark space as free instead of actively overwriting it, although this they should change for regulatory reasons). Regarding the open API they had before 2014, I don't believe him when he said it was clearly communicated to the users that their data could be shared through their friends' activity. I think they were pretty cavalier with sharing user data for the sake of app ecosystem growth, but they never sold any data
Really? What did they/you think was happening when you played a Facebook game and you could see your friends in the leaderboards. Did they/you think that was magic?
Cmon OP, you didn’t read before clicking did you? And then later complain it wasn’t clear?
ads targeted to extremely small demographics + tracking codes per ad campaign is the equivalent of selling PII
There’s a massive difference between targeting an audience of just a couple thousand and PII. Companies sell audiences of this size all the time. This is my fear. People who don’t get marketing and advertising getting overly panicked and killing a whole industry with regulation.
There’s an amazing amount of inference you can draw from all the data you collect as an advertiser, coming pretty close to pii. The combination of remarketing/cookie based tracking and audience definition is quite potent.
The majority of the US population is, unfortunately, dumb as shit. Just saying...
Couldn’t agree more. Natural curiosity is also becoming a rare trait, but we are at a point where we are curating our own curiosity and intelligence to where it’s a detriment. People can’t even understand the basics of Facebook. Many people I know will post a recipe or article to their timeline to save it for later instead of using the Save feature built into Facebook. Think of all the memes people don’t even bother to check and accept as fact - Pizzagate was probably the most glaringly dangerous examples.
I keep seeing it repeated on blind how our congress is stupid on technology. If so do something about it and San Fran folks vote out Nancy Pelosi. I bet you all dont change. Next post will be its only Republicans asking dumb questions and the cycle will continue. Support Term limits for the people.
It's the Russians...
I don't think the distinction is relevant. If you expected FB wouldn't sell your data you've been Zuckered. FB wants you to believe that using PII to sell ads is very different from selling PII. But since Cambridge grabbed all the data anyway it's moot. FB basically did sell access to PII and it's highly likely there were many, many ways PII leaked to advertisers and app developers.
What Zuck is selling or doing is probably no different from Google or Apple or any others. Everyone is pretty shady these days. Problem is FB got caught, but even that, suck it until we have laws and regulations around it
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