Anyone else get annoyed by the FB misinformation?

Microsoft GpuJ21
Apr 11, 2018 31 Comments

It's frustrating seeing so many obviously wrong comments being upvoted on reddit about Facebook "selling data" or "listening to their phones" when any layperson should have been smart enough to figure out that that is not their business model after today's testimony, and that they wouldn't give up their multibillion dollar business lying about it on oath. Zuck explained it at least 3 times ffs. Selling targeted ad spaces is very much different from selling PII.

Like I don't work for Facebook but holy shit are regular people this misinformed about tech. It's really pissing me off for some reason. I wonder if it's the same for people in other fields when their profession makes the news.

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  • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
    ads targeted to extremely small demographics + tracking codes per ad campaign is the equivalent of selling PII
    Apr 11, 2018 7
    • Facebook Lleoiww
      Do you know what PII means? Gosh this is so sad. PII is not what you like or want to buy. It’s who you are. PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. user abc wants to by bananas is not PII
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Amazon Tksxus3
      Says Microsoft that runs data collection on OS that can't be turned off
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Microsoft Vjplye
      You’re not listening. By triaging Info it’s possible to get to pii (yes the definition you are using).
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Facebook Lleoiww
      Please elaborate.
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
      Says Amazon who literally tries to put microphones in every room of my house, get a key to my door, holds encryption keys and intercepts data for like half of the internet, control the media I consume, and the food that I eat.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Amazon.com
    Apr 11, 2018 2
    • Microsoft aytaS
      And install Snapchat? 😂
      Apr 11, 2018
    • AT&T / Eng
      DDM2K

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      Apr 11, 2018
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    • Uber Jupiterr
      Ironic, this comes from the guys (Google, Facebook) whose bread and butter to sell users data. The only reason these companies give free service is to sell goods to users and constantly mine users data and get them to shops. Apple doesn’t make money by using our data. Atleast, Apple doesn’t say “Don’t do evil kinda BS mantra”. Google and Facebook are by far the most evil companies on the planet.
      Jun 24, 2018
  • Gemalto ChillBeFre
    So you're believing Zucc's testimony?
    Apr 11, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      There’s a clear domain knowledge difference between the people asking him questions, and him. Anyone with even a little bit of tech literacy knows that several of the questions asked were loaded.
      Some of the questions were full on stupid. We need to have tech literate people grilling him, not old people that know next to nothing about tech.
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Apple Isallguud
      MZ is not under oath while speaking to Congress
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Facebook Lleoiww
      Do you think he lied?
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Netflix TBtT34
      Dude this testimony isn't under oath.
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Uber Jupiterr
      @Lleoiww MZ is a pathetic liar. But in this case he doesn’t have to lie as the senators were clueless. Send MZ to Singapore then he will know what it means to get his ass kicked. MZ and Facebook knew all along about these things but Facebook is intentionally acting dumb to avoid investigation. Thanks to the greedy folks at Facebook and helping the people elect Trump. Facebook is responsible for Half the problems in country.
      Jun 24, 2018
  • Microsoft GpuJ21
    OP
    As someone who's tech literate, I believe their current practices are the ones he mentioned(regarding monetization, ad serving, challenges of not being able to give exact retention rate when the industry practice is to just mark space as free instead of actively overwriting it, although this they should change for regulatory reasons).

    Regarding the open API they had before 2014, I don't believe him when he said it was clearly communicated to the users that their data could be shared through their friends' activity.

    I think they were pretty cavalier with sharing user data for the sake of app ecosystem growth, but they never sold any data
    Apr 11, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Really? What did they/you think was happening when you played a Facebook game and you could see your friends in the leaderboards. Did they/you think that was magic?
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Facebook Lleoiww
      Cmon OP, you didn’t read before clicking did you? And then later complain it wasn’t clear?
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Microsoft GpuJ21
      OP
      I mean the average user might as well have thought that Facebook ran the platform and the leaderboards. Also did the friends consent directly(not in a TOS that no one reads) to sharing their info? If I never played any Facebook games, I wouldn't know my friends were sharing my info would I?
      Apr 11, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      My friends consented to sharing information with me when we became friends on Facebook. If I choose to give permissions to my account to some third party shady developer, and they access my privileged friends list via a permission I granted them, the problem is on me, not Facebook. Facebook did what I told them to do.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Amazon
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    The majority of the US population is, unfortunately, dumb as shit. Just saying...
    Apr 11, 2018 1
    • Adobe MoneyPenny
      Couldn’t agree more. Natural curiosity is also becoming a rare trait, but we are at a point where we are curating our own curiosity and intelligence to where it’s a detriment.

      People can’t even understand the basics of Facebook. Many people I know will post a recipe or article to their timeline to save it for later instead of using the Save feature built into Facebook. Think of all the memes people don’t even bother to check and accept as fact - Pizzagate was probably the most glaringly dangerous examples.
      Apr 11, 2018
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    Drives me nuts.
    Apr 11, 2018 0
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    What Zuck is selling or doing is probably no different from Google or Apple or any others. Everyone is pretty shady these days. Problem is FB got caught, but even that, suck it until we have laws and regulations around it
    Apr 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon Cayley
    I don't think the distinction is relevant. If you expected FB wouldn't sell your data you've been Zuckered.

    FB wants you to believe that using PII to sell ads is very different from selling PII. But since Cambridge grabbed all the data anyway it's moot. FB basically did sell access to PII and it's highly likely there were many, many ways PII leaked to advertisers and app developers.

    Apr 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon difnai
    It's the Russians...
    Apr 11, 2018 0
  • Microsoft @russia.co
    I keep seeing it repeated on blind how our congress is stupid on technology. If so do something about it and San Fran folks vote out Nancy Pelosi. I bet you all dont change. Next post will be its only Republicans asking dumb questions and the cycle will continue. Support Term limits for the people.
    Apr 11, 2018 0