Anyone here found enlightenment after becoming PM?

Workday / Product 47Switch
Aug 3, 2018 15 Comments

PM Life:

1. I think it's this way [convincing argument]
2. Person #2 - no, it's actually this way [convincing argument]
3. Person #3 - no, it's actually this way [convincing argument]
4. Me: "Holy shit, nothing is real."
5. I find the ultimate truth of all things

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  • PayPal Yel
    PMs in big companies are pretty useless unless they are building some new stuff!

    Anything else they are just mediators between developers and other teams!
    Aug 3, 2018 9
    • PayPal Yel
      So he was pretty much responsible for building all the major products of Google.

      I can hardly find people like that in PayPal and similar companies.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • New zq6528!
      It is a little preposterous to suggest that Sundar did all of that himself. He was instrumental in the development and overall strategy, but really the only biggest one that he knocked out of the park was Chrome.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • PayPal Yel
      I mentioned ‘responsible’ and not doing all himself! There’s a difference.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • New zq6528!
      *slow clap*
      Aug 4, 2018
    • New zq6528!
      In any case, the point I'm trying to make is that you need big wins like Chrome to gain the respect of your peers and management. You'll also need a whole lot of luck to be in the right place at the right time.

      As a developer, you'll be able to rise way higher in terms of TC purely based on meritocracy within the first 12-15 years of your career. As a PM, you'll have to battle executive resistance to radical ideas you propose. How you set the vision, how you drive the business case, how you rally a crowd of engineering and management folks around your idea, how well you execute, how you strategize your product and differentiate yourself from competitors, and how you make customers fall in love with your product and brand will be critical to attaining that status and astronomical TC eventually. Remember that after a certain point of time, once companies go public, you can't just randomly build stuff. You'll need acute business and product sense.

      Be sure what you want to sign up for in the long run.
      Aug 4, 2018
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    • Workday / Product 47Switch
      OP
      Nothing noteworthy.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Workday / Product 47Switch
      OP
      It was and it wasn't. Start with some networking (informational interviews) and ask what they would hypothetically think of your candidacy for an entry level role at the end. You'll get honest answers. PM demand is at an all time high, so the time is now.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • New / Product
      nicebot

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      Any tips on how to navigate informational interviews?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Workday / Product 47Switch
      OP
      Be friendly. Say you want to learn about their role and becoming a PM. Ask questions that line up with that. Talk about qualifications at end. You'll get the hang of it.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • New / Product
      nicebot

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      Thanks :)
      Aug 4, 2018