Anyone here that moved from US to India? Are you happy you did?Jan 6
I'm specifically curious to know from people who moved on their own accord (are there such examples?): Are you happy/do you regret your decision? Is the enormous pay cut (like 240k USD to 60k-80k USD if I move) justified? Or you think you should have taken the normal approach of 'earn, save till I'm asked to leave, keep renewing H1B'? Where do you see yourself at age 45/50 ?
I've worked in India about half a decade back, I believe I have decent context around the usual daily 'irritants' - like pollution, corruption, traffic, etc. Were there any other surprises when you moved back? I'm eager to know from people who made this move.
No O1/EB1 credentials.
- Stay in US as much as you can if you are married and have kids , India isn’t going anywhere!! and you will hate it once you move here coz of BS outside office.
Everyone has ego problem in India, there is nothing called patience or basic civic sense.
- Akamai Technologies / EngTrnWhat’s your motivation? Getting out of the race? Or being with family? Or planning your retirement?
- I am finding it hard to plan life around H1B renewals. Every two years I don't want to go through 221g delays (definite and decently long for me due to specific credentials). And I don't want to be standing in line at Chennai consulate at age 48 my eyes pleading to allow entry to a foreign country.
The reason this is still a Blind question is because I want to hear from older folks whether I'm being a whiny millennial or this is indeed hard on your life as you grow older.
Family and planning retirement are good in whichever country where I settle.
- You will NOT get the relevant perspectives from older folks. When they left India the opportunities and facilities were way more limited than when you left and than what it is today.
It is good that you are complaining about H1b and not behaving as if everything is fine. I am in the same boat.
1. The move is not simple like we are machines. You can simply turnoff a machine here and take it to India and turn it on. But with humans lot more factors than professional factors are involved like social and personal factors . So I don’t agree with the statement that you can stay here till they renew H1b. This will result in an economic or personal shock: Imagine your H1b is not renewed mid year when your kid is midway through school. Or imagine they have applied for H1b extension and you have a family emergency in India. I can list many more...
2. Being on H1b you also forgo on better career and investment opportunities due to instability, limited job mobility and restrictions like you can’t start your own startup. You will always be ‘temporary laborer’ forever. To me that is way worse than getting stuck in a traffic jam, standing in big lines or helplessly paying bribe to get some basic stuff done. (US may not have bribe at lower level, but at higher level there is enough money manipulation by banks and lobbies which are actually worse than having to give a bribe in DMV.)
3. Healthcare in US is bad and especially gets worse when you grow old.
4. If you see problems in India, can you think of solving them ? The companies like Flipkart, Ola, Swiggy were started by ppl like us who could have anyday come to US like you and me. India is going to have 6-8% gdp growth and plan how can you be part of it. If you get that right rewards will be way higher. With H1b blues you will only be stuck with a job, mortgage and uncertainty in US.
5. Regarding all the cliches which ppl talk about culture in India, I find it more like Indian mega serial stuff of 90s and early 2000s. Apparently now even the Indian mega serials have moved onto a different league where show ppl doing foreign trips, etc as current cliches. Personally most of my friends in India are happy and are very well to do and with a better life style. And yeah they are not children of Ambanis, they middle class kids with jobs to feed them
So ultimately it is your choice on what you want to do and how much you can bear the US immigration policy. Make a plan on why and what wrt you India move back and execute it. For me, my plan is on and eventually, soon enough, I will move out of US.
Best of luckJan 66
- I am in late 20s. There is no hard rule guiding when to move . It is mostly a function of what you wanna do in India and how much you are fed up US or rather have gotten enough with your US stay.
I know ppl want to move to India for a job, to do their start up, for family reasons, to give it a temporary try, to change careers, to have better prospectives of a marriage. For me it will be because I cannot start my own company here and I don’t like uncertainty of H1b.
Generally, the more you stay here, harder it becomes to leave. You seem to be single, it is your decision now. If you have a spouse and kids it will be lesser of your sole decision
- I see! Yes, I too want to start up someday in the future, closely tracking startup scene in India. If I had a plan/specific idea I can put my life behind, I'd do that too TBH. I haven't found anything like that yet.
Also, almost every startup in India succeeds because of operations, not necessarily software. Isn't it?
- It's like knowing when to quit from a job. Quit while you're ahead and can control when and where you move next. There are false perceptions about salary and savings and currency conversion. Those are factors that you can control in India as much as you can in the US. You're more than your job and salary.
In terms of startups, there are some great ones in India, and even the traditional Indian companies are shifting investment towards innovation in AI/ML and other cutting edge areas. Most top companies operate out of India too. There's enough to keep you sharp and relevant in India, possibly more than in the US, especially as you get older/more experienced. You're worried about golden hand-cuffs of a high TC. Like I said on another thread, look at savings and purchase power. Look at your ability to invest. If you ever wish to move, don't hesitate. Things will work out. No one is going to say any other magic words that will reduce your anxiety.
- Proofpoint / EngO(n)<O(1)moreIndia is all about politics.... government can spend 3000 cr in making idols... but no basic development for poor... government is interested in changing city name that’s their agenda to get voters... what a shame... all they have to talk about caste and Hindu vs muslim... by the way I m hindu.. so do not get me wrong...
- These are not valid reasons.
1. People here have a say whether to build a wall or not. However, with government shutdown, there is a lot of money lost.
2. I agree with you regarding changing city names again and again is for political agenda. Political games in India is easily visible whereas political games in US is not that easy to see.
3. There is a caste system in India. But, there is a race system in US.
- Is it just visa causing this uncertainty? If you don’t love the idea of moving to India then I would stick with USA. There are hopeful bills like HR392 that when passed would get you a GC. Worst case you keep renewing 8-9 H1bs and eventually your kid will sponsor you once they turn 21.
- I subscribe to the belief that Indians are kept in lifelong queue by design, and majority Americans don't want high paid Indian people around. By design, you will have new things like RFEs, rejections, shorter approvals, maybe even new laws on repatriation controls all the time to make sure you don't destabilize the power structures in America. Outsiders have never earned so much money or social capital in US history, so it's in American interest to make living harder for you. Many don't believe in it, but I strongly do. So I don't buy all this 392 BS.
- Currently Leon Fresco is our main lobbyist getting funding from multiple groups like immigration voice and other campaigns. Before not many Indians were aware of this long wait. Now almost every Indian in America is aware of this issue. So it will get more and more dollars. opposition is very minimalJan 63
- I moved there and moved back. My observations
Pros of moving to india
- closer to family, get to experience the culture you were raised with like festivals etc
- you'll be in the top 1% of income, allowing you to hire help
- work culture is vastly different, even in global companies. More hierarchical, "got to pay your dues" mentality.
- traffic and other infrastructure services are way below standards. Any interaction with govt agencies is a nightmare but it's improving
- huge class divide, with resentment about your income makes managing help very tough. High churn rate. I prefer doing chores here than deal with constant issues with hired help
- corruption is still rampant. So either you participate or be ready to spend 3X more time on everything
- good education for kids is expensive and insanely competitive. Other activities like learning music etc are deemed useless.
- in general, "anything goes" attitude in services. Don't expect the level of service you get here.
- air quality, sanitation need to be much better
- What will eventually matter is how independently you live. If you move in with your parents, and if your mom, for example, manages the maids and cook, then you won't have to deal with the issues.
Your mindset also matters. If you are able to remind yourself of the reasons you moved back for and ignore everything else, you'll be fine
For me, work culture was the biggest issue. Just couldn't take it.
- "you spend Rs. 800 on a pizza, why can't you increase salary by Rs.200"
- my maid's husband who came to my apt to negotiate for her. This was in the 2nd month of her job, I was already paying her the tech area rate.
Most ppl will shrug it off but I felt this was super creepy and unsafe.
- I am in late 20s. I am considering moving back. I don’t want to live my life in fear with visa hassles and restrictions. India is my country and I can do whatever I want there without ever having to worry about getting kicked out.
As for the pay, it is good to create net wealth. But once you have that, the additional wealth is not worth the worry, when you can live a carefree life in India.
- If you're this young and still not on a green card, I'd suggest getting out of the visa shackles and live a free life in India. You've worked there before, and I assume you're an IC. If you make a conscious effort to stay shut up for the first six months and get a feel for the local work dynamics, you'll do quite well in many companies in India. They are very competitive with people who return from the US, so win their trust first. As for the country, you've been away only 5 years. You will adapt. You won't have to worry about planning long vacations or worry about distant loved ones. Your savings rate could double, even after currency conversion. All of these things help you focus on career and not get exploited or feel vulnerable. So, if that thought crossed your mind, just do it!
- Aren't you spending and getting taxed proportionally in the US? Top people in India now make a US midwest salary and can live on 10-15k and save the rest. If you want more than that, get out of a salaried job! You cannot guarantee 240k in the US if stocks get wiped out.
+ What superrr said.
- It depends on your life outside of work in the US. Terrible infrastructure, commute even for a couple of miles sucks, food other than Indian food is not that great, people don't have common civic sense. It's really the small things that bothered me. Like people not letting you off the elevator before getting in. I know this may seem like a rant, but I used to get annoyed with small things everyday. Dust, no access to a quiet good park to run outside in the neighborhood. Etc etc.13h1
- Amazon / EngfHUg57"Half a decade" lol... That is 5 years buddy. It is not half a century. Do you even understand how pay is calculated? It is based on the local market. Are you going to spend in USD?
- I've never quite understood why that justified being happy about the pay. Yes, if you do everything in India and never vacation outside India your pay is fine. But you lose so much financial flexibility with this option. And then if your kids want to study outside India eventually, it'll be harder for you to help with something like that as well.
Of course it's not impossible. But several factors are certainly several degrees harder if you're only earning in rupees.
Personally, if you want to go back, from a financial standpoint it makes sense to work as much as possible here until you reach your retirement number and take that to India with you. I don't actually plan to go back to India, but if I was that's how I would approach it. However, everyone has different priorities and if you don't see the reduced financial flexibility as a deterrent you should do what makes you happy if moving back would do so. We only live once, so you do you.
- Intuit iAMp51If u have no financial problems/responsibilities and have friends in India you should move. Quality of life is better and more affordable in India.
- So many things one should consider while moving back: 1. Can you live happily with the amount of money you have saved? 2. Can your parents handle things on their own? 3. Can you stay happily here in US without any cultural things around you?
It all depends on what makes you happy. I am in the same dilemma as you and trying to find the answers. I don't care if my Visa will be renewed or not. I know that day will come when I will no longer feel like staying here, on that day I will leave and will never return.
- Google reinflrnWe are moving back to India this summer. We decided to move back because of parents and siblings and entire family based in India. We thought we would give india a shot and see how it goes. My research shows that the job market in India for tech is still very good and companies like Google, amazon, flipkart, walmart labs are still paying very good salaries. Of course you can not compare with the us salaries but that would not be apples to apples anyways. Again if it does not work out in India it will not be the end of the world and we can always come back to the US or explore other countries. IMHO visa should not be the only reason to make the decision to move since the landscape is evolving and waiting has its benefits.
- New / ITuchiha19I get that there is are many problems in India and US life is so well mannered and structured that makes it harder to move back. I didn’t move back yet, I am single and still trying to move back with in couple of years for my parents and all my family members.
Sure I will not get that much TC but at least I can have my family close by. I don’t know, may be I am wrong and in case I don’t like it, I will end up in the crowd that you hate.
- Raising children in this country is another issue. They will get good education but what about the culture? What if they decide to just smoke w**d and do nothing after they graduate? Chances are rare but drug addiction is something that this country is dealing with the most. Think before you decide to start your family here.
- I'm planning to move in a few years after getting 1.5 million in net household assets ie unless the visa situation improves which I don't expect to improve.
- Have recently started working here but am already in the mindset to move. It's only a question of how much net worth and experience I can accumulate and then make the move. It's always possible to come back or go elsewhere for the lifestyle or money.
- Go to MS India - you can try to get L1A down the line if you want to come back, and then L1A to EB1C
- I would say it depends on your situation. If you have commitments you will have to plan for it. If not stay in here forever your family. If you are alone then you will have to decide before you find a partner. Because then you will have to decide between the two to stay or move. Lot of factors involved.