Anyone here that moved from US to India? Are you happy you did?

Microsoft UMbR31
Jan 6 118 Comments

I'm specifically curious to know from people who moved on their own accord (are there such examples?): Are you happy/do you regret your decision? Is the enormous pay cut (like 240k USD to 60k-80k USD if I move) justified? Or you think you should have taken the normal approach of 'earn, save till I'm asked to leave, keep renewing H1B'? Where do you see yourself at age 45/50 ?

I've worked in India about half a decade back, I believe I have decent context around the usual daily 'irritants' - like pollution, corruption, traffic, etc. Were there any other surprises when you moved back? I'm eager to know from people who made this move.

TC/yoe: 240/5
No O1/EB1 credentials.

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  • McAfee JohnMcPee
    Mandir toh hum yahin banayenge 🤪
    Jan 6 3
    • New / Eng
      ChangeYou

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      People's United Bank, N.A.
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      Are you Indian? Shame
      Jan 6
    • McAfee JohnMcPee
      Sarcasm. Not for everyone.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      JMP didn't get 25k Blind points just posting serious answers
      Jan 6
  • SunTrust !Srs
    Stay in US as much as you can if you are married and have kids , India isn’t going anywhere!! and you will hate it once you move here coz of BS outside office.
    Everyone has ego problem in India, there is nothing called patience or basic civic sense.
    Jan 6 1
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Thanks for responding. Did you move?
      Jan 6
  • SunTrust !Srs
    I moved and came back , couldn’t control my anger and frustration
    Jan 6 10
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      I would assume so, thanks
      Jan 6
    • Cisco bitset
      True, I know people who went to India and came back. Also I agree that getting a good wife is way harder than getting into fang. These days girls have a lot of ego problem and girls here have too many options
      Jan 6
    • Amazon rofl lol
      Ya. But u do have good chances of getting a good girl if u are based in the US & have a high pay.
      Jan 6
    • Amazon god
      Many girls nowadays don’t want to go to the US because they like the freedom in India. Majority of the girls that will marry you would be because they want to live in a nuclear family or don’t want to live in India again
      Jan 6
    • Oracle / Eng NUkX62
      How did you move back?
      Jan 6
  • Akamai Technologies / Eng Trn
    What’s your motivation? Getting out of the race? Or being with family? Or planning your retirement?
    Jan 6 7
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      LinkedIn, how old are you? How do you decide what is the right time to leave? For example, why 2021 why not 2025?

      Yes I agree with your viewpoint that it has to be a conscious decision and not be forced due to a visa rejection etc.
      Jan 6
    • LinkedIn la la laa
      I am in late 20s. There is no hard rule guiding when to move . It is mostly a function of what you wanna do in India and how much you are fed up US or rather have gotten enough with your US stay.

      I know ppl want to move to India for a job, to do their start up, for family reasons, to give it a temporary try, to change careers, to have better prospectives of a marriage. For me it will be because I cannot start my own company here and I don’t like uncertainty of H1b.

      Generally, the more you stay here, harder it becomes to leave. You seem to be single, it is your decision now. If you have a spouse and kids it will be lesser of your sole decision
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      I see! Yes, I too want to start up someday in the future, closely tracking startup scene in India. If I had a plan/specific idea I can put my life behind, I'd do that too TBH. I haven't found anything like that yet.

      Also, almost every startup in India succeeds because of operations, not necessarily software. Isn't it?
      Jan 6
    • Oracle ypoint
      It's like knowing when to quit from a job. Quit while you're ahead and can control when and where you move next. There are false perceptions about salary and savings and currency conversion. Those are factors that you can control in India as much as you can in the US. You're more than your job and salary.

      In terms of startups, there are some great ones in India, and even the traditional Indian companies are shifting investment towards innovation in AI/ML and other cutting edge areas. Most top companies operate out of India too. There's enough to keep you sharp and relevant in India, possibly more than in the US, especially as you get older/more experienced. You're worried about golden hand-cuffs of a high TC. Like I said on another thread, look at savings and purchase power. Look at your ability to invest. If you ever wish to move, don't hesitate. Things will work out. No one is going to say any other magic words that will reduce your anxiety.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Thanks for taking the time to type out such detailed replies guys!

      Yes Oracle, I think so too.
      Jan 6
  • Proofpoint / Eng
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    India is all about politics.... government can spend 3000 cr in making idols... but no basic development for poor... government is interested in changing city name that’s their agenda to get voters... what a shame... all they have to talk about caste and Hindu vs muslim... by the way I m hindu.. so do not get me wrong...
    Jan 6 6
    • Microsoft QPrg55
      Not very different here. "Build a wall"
      Jan 6
    • Amazon god
      These are not valid reasons.

      1. People here have a say whether to build a wall or not. However, with government shutdown, there is a lot of money lost.

      2. I agree with you regarding changing city names again and again is for political agenda. Political games in India is easily visible whereas political games in US is not that easy to see.

      3. There is a caste system in India. But, there is a race system in US.
      Jan 6
    • Amazon god
      It doesn’t make US much different than India with the points you provided
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Do people really have a say about the wall? Remember that more people voted against trump than for him. I think it would be incorrect to say that more people want a fucking wall than spend that money on more useful ventures.
      Jan 6
    • New / Consultant
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      Kindly remove extra dots and revert back. Regards
      Jan 7
  • Apple iPhone Xs
    Is it just visa causing this uncertainty? If you don’t love the idea of moving to India then I would stick with USA. There are hopeful bills like HR392 that when passed would get you a GC. Worst case you keep renewing 8-9 H1bs and eventually your kid will sponsor you once they turn 21.
    Jan 6 7
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      So, which money is fighting for you in Washington?
      Jan 6
    • Apple iPhone Xs
      Currently Leon Fresco is our main lobbyist getting funding from multiple groups like immigration voice and other campaigns. Before not many Indians were aware of this long wait. Now almost every Indian in America is aware of this issue. So it will get more and more dollars. opposition is very minimal
      Jan 6
    • Bank of America BRjH71
      But that Bill will screw over row
      Jan 6
    • Apple iPhone Xs
      Only for a few years. They won’t have 150 year wait
      Jan 6
    • Bank of America BRjH71
      @iPhone please expand. Won't wait time increase for everyone else
      Jan 6
  • Microsoft pock
    I moved there and moved back. My observations

    Pros of moving to india
    - closer to family, get to experience the culture you were raised with like festivals etc
    - you'll be in the top 1% of income, allowing you to hire help

    Cons
    - work culture is vastly different, even in global companies. More hierarchical, "got to pay your dues" mentality.
    - traffic and other infrastructure services are way below standards. Any interaction with govt agencies is a nightmare but it's improving
    - huge class divide, with resentment about your income makes managing help very tough. High churn rate. I prefer doing chores here than deal with constant issues with hired help
    - corruption is still rampant. So either you participate or be ready to spend 3X more time on everything
    - good education for kids is expensive and insanely competitive. Other activities like learning music etc are deemed useless.
    - in general, "anything goes" attitude in services. Don't expect the level of service you get here.
    - air quality, sanitation need to be much better
    Jan 6 8
    • Microsoft pock
      What will eventually matter is how independently you live. If you move in with your parents, and if your mom, for example, manages the maids and cook, then you won't have to deal with the issues.
      Your mindset also matters. If you are able to remind yourself of the reasons you moved back for and ignore everything else, you'll be fine

      For me, work culture was the biggest issue. Just couldn't take it.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft pock
      "you spend Rs. 800 on a pizza, why can't you increase salary by Rs.200"
      - my maid's husband who came to my apt to negotiate for her. This was in the 2nd month of her job, I was already paying her the tech area rate.

      Most ppl will shrug it off but I felt this was super creepy and unsafe.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Yeah makes sense
      Jan 6
    • Proofpoint / Eng
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      You anti national go to neighbors county... modi. Jindabad
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Yo please GTFO man
      Jan 11
  • Amazon rofl lol
    I am in late 20s. I am considering moving back. I don’t want to live my life in fear with visa hassles and restrictions. India is my country and I can do whatever I want there without ever having to worry about getting kicked out.
    As for the pay, it is good to create net wealth. But once you have that, the additional wealth is not worth the worry, when you can live a carefree life in India.
    Jan 6 1
    • New / Eng
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      Stay in usa to first net wealth
      Jan 6
  • Oracle ypoint
    If you're this young and still not on a green card, I'd suggest getting out of the visa shackles and live a free life in India. You've worked there before, and I assume you're an IC. If you make a conscious effort to stay shut up for the first six months and get a feel for the local work dynamics, you'll do quite well in many companies in India. They are very competitive with people who return from the US, so win their trust first. As for the country, you've been away only 5 years. You will adapt. You won't have to worry about planning long vacations or worry about distant loved ones. Your savings rate could double, even after currency conversion. All of these things help you focus on career and not get exploited or feel vulnerable. So, if that thought crossed your mind, just do it!
    Jan 6 8
    • Intel superrr
      That's just a perception. A 1/4 salary in India still had very good buying power. Though it's getting narrow
      Jan 6
    • Oracle ypoint
      Aren't you spending and getting taxed proportionally in the US? Top people in India now make a US midwest salary and can live on 10-15k and save the rest. If you want more than that, get out of a salaried job! You cannot guarantee 240k in the US if stocks get wiped out.

      + What superrr said.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Okay, I understand those numbers. Thank you.
      Jan 6
    • Google SirMixAlot
      Ypoint yes you can. Ensure you have $240k base
      Jan 6
    • Oracle ypoint
      SirMixAlot... OP probably isn't at that base yet, but even if he is, there's no guarantee. The inputs are relevant. Talk to someone who has done it! There's more than TC and luck that OP needs to make plans. Otherwise, the question is moot.
      Jan 6
  • Apple bbavsgsh
    I have seen, both, people who hated going back and people who loved it. If you have a deep knit family and want a greater social circle, then going back to India is great! But, if you are an average Joe, who just wants a good job and QOL then you might not like going back.
    Jan 6 0
  • Microsoft TheRedPolo
    Don't. I did, moved back.
    Jan 14 9
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Are you a guy or a woman?
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Because "small things bothered me" are different for men and women. Just want to make sure I get opinion relevant to me thanks though.
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      Lol. I'm a guy.
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      I see, interesting, same here... Guess my experience was quite different mate...
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      What do you mean your experience was different? Did you work in India after living outside for a while?
      Jan 15
  • Amazon / Eng fHUg57
    "Half a decade" lol... That is 5 years buddy. It is not half a century. Do you even understand how pay is calculated? It is based on the local market. Are you going to spend in USD?
    Jan 6 2
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Yeah, but I could choose to earn for 10 more years and go back. I'm in my late 20s and want to understand how 40+ year old people think about this decision.
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft HURi57
      I've never quite understood why that justified being happy about the pay. Yes, if you do everything in India and never vacation outside India your pay is fine. But you lose so much financial flexibility with this option. And then if your kids want to study outside India eventually, it'll be harder for you to help with something like that as well.

      Of course it's not impossible. But several factors are certainly several degrees harder if you're only earning in rupees.

      Personally, if you want to go back, from a financial standpoint it makes sense to work as much as possible here until you reach your retirement number and take that to India with you. I don't actually plan to go back to India, but if I was that's how I would approach it. However, everyone has different priorities and if you don't see the reduced financial flexibility as a deterrent you should do what makes you happy if moving back would do so. We only live once, so you do you.
      Jan 6
  • Intuit iAMp51
    If u have no financial problems/responsibilities and have friends in India you should move. Quality of life is better and more affordable in India.
    Jan 6 2
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Thanks, did you move or anyone close to you did?
      Jan 6
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      I disagree. It's certainly more affordable but absolutely not better in any respect.
      Jan 14
  • New / Eng
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    Stay in US
    Jan 6 2
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Why, did you move?
      Jan 6
    • New / Eng
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      My case is different. Better you ignore that. But stay in US
      Jan 6
  • IBM / Eng solo8
    So many things one should consider while moving back: 1. Can you live happily with the amount of money you have saved? 2. Can your parents handle things on their own? 3. Can you stay happily here in US without any cultural things around you?

    It all depends on what makes you happy. I am in the same dilemma as you and trying to find the answers. I don't care if my Visa will be renewed or not. I know that day will come when I will no longer feel like staying here, on that day I will leave and will never return.
    Jan 7 2
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      How old are you?
      Jan 7
    • IBM / Eng solo8
      30 something
      Jan 7
  • Google reinflrn
    We are moving back to India this summer. We decided to move back because of parents and siblings and entire family based in India. We thought we would give india a shot and see how it goes. My research shows that the job market in India for tech is still very good and companies like Google, amazon, flipkart, walmart labs are still paying very good salaries. Of course you can not compare with the us salaries but that would not be apples to apples anyways. Again if it does not work out in India it will not be the end of the world and we can always come back to the US or explore other countries. IMHO visa should not be the only reason to make the decision to move since the landscape is evolving and waiting has its benefits.
    Jan 6 1
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Thank you for the response. How long were you in the US? Also, can you explain what do you mean by 'waiting has its benefits'?
      Jan 6
  • New / Eng
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    It's wrong decision for sure.
    Jan 6 0
  • New / IT uchiha19
    I get that there is are many problems in India and US life is so well mannered and structured that makes it harder to move back. I didn’t move back yet, I am single and still trying to move back with in couple of years for my parents and all my family members.

    Sure I will not get that much TC but at least I can have my family close by. I don’t know, may be I am wrong and in case I don’t like it, I will end up in the crowd that you hate.
    Jan 6 0
  • IBM / Eng solo8
    Raising children in this country is another issue. They will get good education but what about the culture? What if they decide to just smoke w**d and do nothing after they graduate? Chances are rare but drug addiction is something that this country is dealing with the most. Think before you decide to start your family here.
    Jan 7 6
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      Lol. You can say weed mate. In any case weed is getting more and more common outside the US too.
      Jan 15
    • IBM / Eng solo8
      Education in US costs way more than India. So many Indians working in US with great jobs is the proof that Indian education is not bad at all. Sometimes competitive environment helps to build a great career.
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      Correlation is not causation. Just because there are so many Indians with good jobs does not mean Indian education system is good. It definitely is not great. Almost 100% people who studied at both places will confirm that.
      Jan 15
    • IBM / Eng solo8
      That's why Indians like Satya Nadella and Sundar Pichai are leading big companies
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft TheRedPolo
      Rofl. Do you really think their "Indian" education did that to them or was it their own merit? Had it the Indian education then majority of the Indians should have been founders and CEOs of major companies.
      Jan 15
  • New / Eng
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    My suggestion is to try Europe/Canada
    You'll love it
    Jan 8 5
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      OP
      Nope. Declining economies.
      Jan 8
    • New / Eng
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      What? Who said this?
      Jan 8
    • Oracle / Eng NUkX62
      I’m planning to move. What about reducing pay? How did it workout for you?
      Jan 8
    • New / Eng
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      It balances out nicely. Rent is cheaper. Free medicines, free emergency care, free or really cheap dentists blah blah. Cheap education.
      Jan 8
    • Oracle / Eng NUkX62
      Where did you go to? London is extremely expensive
      Jan 8