Anyone worried about RIFs and how your company does it....

Microsoft NegaDuck
Sep 11, 2018 11 Comments

This is a sobering take... these are the kinds of tactics your company may well use to do it:

"Among ProPublica’s findings, IBM:

Denied older workers information the law says they need in order to decide whether they’ve been victims of age bias, and required them to sign away the right to go to court or join with others to seek redress.

Targeted people for layoffs and firings with techniques that tilted against older workers, even when the company rated them high performers. In some instances, the money saved from the departures went toward hiring young replacements.

Converted job cuts into retirements and took steps to boost resignations and firings. The moves reduced the number of employees counted as layoffs, where high numbers can trigger public disclosure requirements.

Encouraged employees targeted for layoff to apply for other IBM positions, while quietly advising managers not to hire them and requiring many of the workers to train their replacements.

Told some older employees being laid off that their skills were out of date, but then brought them back as contract workers, often for the same work at lower pay and fewer benefits."

https://features.propublica.org/ibm/ibm-age-discrimination-american-workers/

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TOP 11 Comments
  • Compass / Eng
    FUPayMe

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    FUPayMemore
    Ehh I’m too young for this to matter.
    Sep 11, 2018 6
    • Compass / Eng
      FUPayMe

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      FUPayMemore
      Pretty sure this was age related.
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NADM63

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      NADM63more
      It matters because some say it might be you.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Compass / Eng
      FUPayMe

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      FUPayMemore
      Be better, retire earlier, avoid the issue.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • IBM / Eng IBM-FNG
      It’s not a problem for the young until they are added to the layoff pool to give the appearance of a “normal” RA.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NADM63

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      NADM63more
      FUPayMe exactly
      Sep 12, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    NADM63

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    NADM63more
    There is a lot of ageism in our industry. It's wise to be saving a lot now so you have "🦆 you" money when the time comes.
    Sep 12, 2018 0
  • New / IT loulou
    Most companies do this, maybe not at such a level, but they do. That said, IBM is amongst the shittiest companies I’ve ever worked for.
    Sep 12, 2018 0
  • IBM bonjovi
    Honestly it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. That being said, layoffs in IBM are sometimes totally random.

    IBM doesn't pay well enough to treat engineers as a commodity that it can scale down or up at will. The few good people who agree to stay with the company need to be coveted.
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • IBM Z14
    IBM lays off so many people without any clear goal in mind besides cutting costs for the next quarter. I’ve heard executives talk about how they try different things to deal with the layoffs (they are just getting told to do them), sometimes cutting low performers across their org, sometimes just cutting out entire teams regardless of performance. Personally, I think it has laid off a lot of old people because it has laid off a lot of people in general. If there were any adverse effects, I would attribute them more to general incompetence rather than malice toward older workers. Any way you cut it, it’s not a great story, though.
    Sep 12, 2018 0

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