Apple Annual Bonus and Refresh

Amazon Mbyz86
Apr 6, 2018 52 Comments

How much is Apple annual refresh and bonus?

I got an offer $195k/year $250k RSU over 4 years and $50K sign on bonus.

That is significantly lower than my Amazon $185k base and $220k RSU annually.

Would adding the Apple bonus and refresh be enough to match amazon?

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TOP 52 Comments
  • Uber PlP
    Apple refresh is insane compare to amazon.
    You got that 220k rsu per year at amazon not because amazon offered you that amount, but because amzn appreciation over past two years.
    Apr 6, 2018 3
    • Apple / Other whyNotQ?
      ^This
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      Sure Apple probably values him higher, but OP stands to miss a lot of stock they deserve if they leave now. OP should get better offer, or stay at amazon and revisit FAANG after 2 years.
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Apple / Other whyNotQ?
      Valid point. Unless OP is looking for more than comp
      Apr 7, 2018
  • Microsoft wlb
    amzn $220k RSU annually? Is this an L6?
    Apr 6, 2018 11
    • Apple CartMann
      Level is good. But lower end of ic5. Should get at least 210 base
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Apple / Eng e=mc^2
      All who are saying that OP got under leveled by Apple does not know anything at-all about Apple levels. OP is getting ICT5, which is highest level Apple offers to external candidates. Let me remind you that the highest level at Apple is ICT6, and it takes significant impact by a person to get there. So can you explain me how OP got under leveled? Please dont spread false information. Like they say- ‘little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge’.
      Apr 8, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      Sure e=mc^2, replace under leveled with under comped everywhere lol. What if I gave you an ICT6 offer with less comp then you're getting right now?
      Apr 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng e=mc^2
      Then its upto me whether to take the offer or not. BTW, two months ago interviewed with Google and they definitely down leveled me. Even offered 20% less base than what i make. So i denied the offer. Also told the recruiter ‘do you expect me to take this?’
      Apr 8, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      Yeah I agree with you lol. I would do the same. Not sure why you're saying we spread false info, this happens every day to candidates that interview at every company (not getting level/comp you want). We're just telling OP not to take the job (wouldn't matter which of FAANG it is tbh).
      Apr 8, 2018
  • Apple Cim Took
    Leave AMZN after 2 years, not now.
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng e=mc^2
    All who are saying that OP got under leveled by Apple does not know anything at-all about Apple levels. OP is getting ICT5, which is highest level Apple offers to external candidates. Let me remind you that the highest level at Apple is ICT6, and it takes significant impact by a person to get there. So can you explain me how OP got under leveled? Please dont spread false information. Like they say- ‘little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge’.
    Apr 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Zoiruegeg
    You don’t get 220 annually. It’s 5/15/40/40.
    Apr 6, 2018 10
    • Microsoft Zoiruegeg
      Amazon vesting schedule.
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Uber / Eng Curious11
      The true way to calculate is total expected comp over next 4 years ( while counting in ‘at-performance’ bonus and refresh) and divide that by 4 for annual - if you really want to compare. Also, if you’re so close to this final 40% vesting cliff, i would recommend you to just wait until 2-3 months before you hit the cliff, start interviewing and then switch. I thought at L7, you would already know that by now!
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      @Curious11 I was not actively looking.
      Apr 7, 2018
    • Apple iBYz44
      You got $550k RSU (at time of offering) Or is this because Amazon stock went up so much over the last 3 years?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      Amazon stock went up. But even without it going up, the total comp offer is slightly lower than amazon initial offer.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Apple iiiiiij
    if amazon vs apple is even a question for u, stay in amazon lol
    Apr 6, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng
      fucka3

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      BIO
      Happy fucking around!
      fucka3more
      Bullshit
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Apple mJgW28
    for Ict4 refresher is the range 60-160k. For Ict5 let’s assume it is 90k-200k. You can calculate the rest
    Apr 6, 2018 2
    • Microsoft HowUDoin?
      What is it for Ict3, do you know?
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Apple mJgW28
      I know that for 8/9 review it was 60k.
      Apr 7, 2018
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    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      Thanks for the advice. This is what I am thinking also. It sounds like with refresh I won’t be at the same level till another 2 years
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Facebook xkbvc
    250k over 4 years is ridiculously low for ict5 swe. It should map to E6 at Facebook/Google where you can easily get 800k+
    Apr 8, 2018 0
  • Uber Mashburn
    Why didn’t you interview at FB, google, uber, Airbnb? They pay waaaaay more
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • WalmartLabs Hdufu
    SWE? RSU sounds low for ICT5
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Amazon Mbyz86
    OP
    ICT5
    Apr 6, 2018 1
    • Apple pupl22
      It’s very rare to bring someone to apple at Ict5 level. Can you share your years of experience and education?
      May 5, 2018
  • Apple / Eng iCracked
    The signing bonus should be higher. The max for ICT4 is 75k, so I'd imagine it's at least 100k for ICT5.
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng
    Bad guy

    Apple Eng

    PRE
    Google, Yahoo
    BIO
    Dot dot dot
    Bad guymore
    Apple refresher are good .. now calculate your TC after 2 years
    Apr 6, 2018 2
    • Apple / Eng
      Bad guy

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Google, Yahoo
      BIO
      Dot dot dot
      Bad guymore
      Which org ?
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      ISO
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Apple YcYH07
    Amazon has no bonus system right? Apple does have a bonus system.
    Apr 6, 2018 2
    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      How much is the bonus?
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Monad.Pure

      Apple Eng

      BIO
      Very pure..
      Monad.Puremore
      Which org is this? Bonus for ICT5 can be 50k + depending on performance- plus Apple unlike amazon will not count value of appreciating stock against your compensating- which is a significant multiplier.
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Other 👻💀☠️
    What role is this?
    Apr 6, 2018 1
    • Amazon Mbyz86
      OP
      SWE
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Apple cAIo1
    leave Amazon after 2 years
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Apple Babar
    Is that ict4 or ict5 ?
    Apr 6, 2018 0
  • Apple poop-emoji
    Unlikely it’d match your current TC
    Apr 6, 2018 0

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