Wondering how much this is really affecting the folks working at FB:
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- Facebook / EngRustieLol apple, probably easier than you
- Facebook uRGX22Omfg, why don’t you realize that all those big tech companies do basically the same stuff. Which is actually not as bad for users as it’s presented be journalists.
Media companies also playing with users’ emotions and fears. Posting those “breaking news” just with a single goal—to make more money on it.
- Nielsen, do you have any idea how ridiculous you are? What does fb do? What the fuck do you create other than analytics so companies can target ads better. Fb does that on top of creating a global medium for people keeping in touch. (laugh if you want, but I've been keeping in touch with my military comrades over the globe for the last decade via fb)
And Amazon is making snide comments about capitalism? @kyyg83, perhaps you need to leave Amazon and go work for the ACLU or EFF if you are really altruistic. Otherwise your about as hypocritical as fat old anti-gay Republican politicians giving blowjobs in truck stop bathrooms.
And it's a sad day when people think litigious Oracle is better than FB.
- Anyone who follows my posts knows I regularly criticize Amazon. The company changed since I joined. But at least acknowledge it and I make efforts to improve it, rather than embrace an attitude of screwing over other people for the sake of profit with zero self-reflection.
Also, at least Amazon’s user base is still growing. When I started, our market cap was less than Facebook’s. Today, ours is twice yours. Facebook’s biggest problem is that it doesn’t bring users much convenience or joy anymore, repeatedly violates their privacy, and is not a particularly resilient or diversified business model. It is very prone to going the way of Yahoo or Myspace, much faster than Amazon will.Jan 309
- Good for you amazon, you've convinced yourself you're making Amazon better and take out your petty aggressions on other companies. It is pretty fucking foolish for Google, fb, and Apple engineers to be uppity about how morally superior they are to the other.
And I have no clue why you think your company's valuation is even relevant to this discussion. Go tuck your penis in and go home...
I actually love Amazon and if you wipe out all the small businesses, good for you.
- Amazon JazzyJassyYikes the FB employees’ comments are truly shameful. Your immaturity is shocking and your delusion is apparent to everyone but yourselves.
I recently deleted FB and Insta and I only feel better about my decision everyday.
Your mistakes could be fixed, but your/Zuck’s hubris will be your downfall.
- I don't understand why this is a privacy issue. The users volunteered to have their privacy invaded for a fee. Apple clearly allows apps from the store to technically do this. Facebook has user consent in this case. Is Apple hoping for a new revenue stream ? 😂
- If I’m messaging someone who has this on their phone, did I consent to have my communications wiretapped? Of course not. Any other developer who did this would have all their apps pulled, FB is lucky to only have their enterprise cert pulled for blatantly breaking the rules.
- There are many states where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of both parties involved. Phone support for companies must tell you that the call is recorded “for quality assurance purposes”. Why would Facebook be immune to that? If I’m talking to someone with this on their phone, every conversation should start with “Facebook is recording this call for market research and advertising purposes”.
- Facebook isBo30Truly nauseated by comments from FB employees in this thread. Don’t think I’ve ever been surrounded by so many people who are allergic to accountability and addicted to magical thinking. That app and everything about the way it was marketed is fuckin gross.
- I haven't been on Blind for too long but I've always wanted to have an honest discussion with FB employees. Obviously there are some bright folks working at FB. Do the morals just not matter? If they don't matter now, when do they? Where is *your* line?
P.S. Give your balls a tug and get out.
- Clearly it matters for some. Others in this thread have openly said “fuck ethics, money is everything,” and then made fun of others for making less money.
To these facebook employees, a congressman or humanitarian or school teacher are human garbage because they do not make as much money as a facebook engineer. To these employees also, they must feel deeply inadequate compared to successful investment bankers or entrepreneurs. Because money is everything in their life.
But there are other facebook employees who understand they can’t take the money with them when they die and other values may have higher priority.
- Lots of toxic tech bros at facebook.
Facebook is not fun quirky nerdy engineers who love computing anymore. Those are the types of people who would have been engineers in any era. Facebook today is comprised of the kind of bro who went for the highest paying major. In the 90’s, they would have become i-bankers. But today they are engineers. Their ethical compass is calibrated only on the monetary value they can extract through their employments. They do not seek to provide value for their services or extract any other form of enrichment. They only want money.Jan 3011
- Facebook 2fast⚡️I don’t understand why they didn’t use different licenses for different purposes or at least consult with Apple if they aren’t sure. It was a clear red flag to use internal purpose license for external users.
Facebook deserves this. Full stop. I wish the company stops doing stupid shit and get some adult oversight.
- Genentech PapaBearyFacebook has adult oversight. Zuckerberg and Sheryl are both grown adults, and it's time we started demanding accountability from them.
From what I heard, Facebook had a VPN app that was violating privacy and Apple had asked them to pull it back. Then Facebook came up with a workaround calling it a "Research app" for internal use only.
- To be clear, they didn't want to because they knew the answer would be "no, you can't have all the data".
So why listen to rules when you can sideline an app and not have to worry about those pesky rules?
This is just poor decision making, and it sucks that it affects so much of FB, but GD if some executives over there didn't shit the bed for all of you.
- FB could argue, since they paid those users for installing the spywares, they are effectively contractors and it's not a violation of apple policies. But this is absolutely disgusting that they would exploit the ignorance of kids
- Parental consent was required for minors https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-research-app-that-1832182370/amp (purely stating fact, not an opinion in favour or against this app)
- I believe it’s a degree of how far companies are willing to go. If a company is founded on selling your data as revenue model, it will always be too close to the line they can’t cross. Apple, Google on the other hand have other massive revenue models. They all collect data but it’s not their bread and butter.
- Lol this teen narrative is completely an evil creation of the media and people like you buying into it. I dont see a problem if the parents had to sign multiple forms and give consent for their child to participate, the parents wanted to the money and they did what they had to.
The media doesnt have a problem with teens buying cigarettes without parent consent but if FB is paying them all hell broke lose 👏🏽👏🏽
- Signed what? You really think the 14y/o handed their phone to their parent to check the checkbox while explaining to them what they were asking to sign up for? Do you actually even think a 14y/o understands what level of access they’re granting s company when they install an outside root cert on their device?
- Equating all big tech companies is a false equivalency. Apple doesn’t collect user data on any serious scale, and what they do collect is anonymized.
This makes perfect sense since their revenue comes directly from hardware sales, and they’ve made privacy a selling point of that hardware, and so in this case, privacy is actually aligned with their business interest.
Beyond that, pragmatically they have no reason to collect data since they don’t have the expertise to do anything useful with that data.
- Lol you really think FB legal doesn’t have a way to show those kids aren’t FB? The easiest thing is to make the contractors as they are already getting paid. Then it’s probably not a violation of Apple enterprise TOS. Apple is doing this because then appear pro privacy, which is their thing as all other players are not that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s exactly what apple should do to leverage the situation. But acting like fb did something horrendously wrong doesn’t make sense to me.
- That would be genius if they can prove by paying the people they are not violating the terms legally, there is a difference though between being on a payroll and getting paid for a installing something which I hope the Apple policies would take into account or else facebook would not have agreed to take it down on iOS apps. That said, it has not yet gone to the courts so cant say what the stand might be.
- It is not up to apple to define because if they did, they would have to come up with a custom definition of and it would be a legal/support nightmare to figure out which orgs meet it. What they do is take standardized legal definitions like “employee” and “contractor” and build on top of that.
It is very unlikely to go to court. It’s mostly just taking a pro privacy stance and this increasing brand value.
- Salesforce iOhanaI had no strong extreme opinion about this issue when I first learned about it. I just thought people made bad decisions, it got hyped, magnified, and it caught up with them, whoever these people are. But after reading this thread, FB folks shoving TCs all over your face if you have a strong opinion about FBs ethics as a company. F*cking disgusting. We get it, you’re the highest paid engineers in tech. But some people here make more money than they actually need, and have even more time to enjoy it. Get over your narcissistic selves, you’re embarrassing.
- For sure this seems like a mistake from FB but it seems like Google was doing the same thing: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/30/google-apologizes-for-violating-apple-policy.html
For all the people who are fighting to defend Apple, we should know soon if they stick to their ‘morals’ by doing the same with Google.
TBH, all the companies are in the business of making money and if something hurts the flow of money, ethics come second to that unless making a ‘SHOW OF ETHICS’ gets you more popularity.
- Apple SXHX43Do you guys know FB on iOS is a voice over ip app so it can stay running in the back ground all the time? That is why the fb app is both a memory and battery hog. Come on fb, get your acts together clean this up.
- Facebook employees pretending the rapidly addressed FaceTime bug compares to even a month’s worth of facebook’s ongoing scandals is hilarious.
Look, we get it, shame is hard and you want to feel good about yourselves instead of feeling like assholes for working for the only company in the valley more despised than Palantir. We get it.Feb 13
- Really dude...you seriously think all the Facebook stuff you have heard is that serious. The biggest of them all scandals, Cambridge analytical was already sorted out by the time it was reported, and FB has been pretty straightforward and transparent about every leak or bug discovered since. If you think Facebook sells data, you are completely mistaken and need to understand the ad business better. I don't even work for Facebook but all of this is so being blown out of proportion. Apple decided to block FB aps coz it would get them news, they did not even bother looking at Google until Google came out. Apple should enforce policies they have created, but this is just being an asshole. Any Enterprise products company would give customers a fair warning before just blocking them.
- Cambridge was “sorted out.”
We get it. Shame is hard. You’re having trouble dealing with the reality of the situation. Facebook has been “straightforward” like the CEO lying to Congress.
I know you won’t admit it, but you are t fooling anyone. Go out and tell people how proud you are to work for Facebook and keep the faith, no one is going to be sitting there judging you for what an out of touch, obviously unethical tool you sound like.
- Lol...read what I wrote. I do not work for Facebook and I never have worked for them. Cambridge analytical was a mistake, not a deliberate scam. I am just sick of people being so biased about everything. Three FB employees act like assholes and it makes it to a article, three employees write reviews for portal and the media pounces on it. It's a shame and shows the quality of journalism in this country. Everyone just likes shitting on stuff and very conveniently ignore whatever good happens on FB. Just see the funds raised or all the small businesses that make a living on FB. Yes,shame is hard but reason is hard too. Facebook should be penalized for all their mistakes and so should all the other companies that do sneaky shit. If privacy is the debate than criticize everyone and don't take sides.
- I would not want people like these working at my company. I believe that a lot of FB related news is BS but folks who will justify shit by talking about how FB is cool only because they get paid more are just the worst employees. Any decent employee would bring facts or reason into an argument. You clearly don't care about your company or what it does.
- Apple pitching fits again . I'm kind of on their side though... Teenagers can't give consent... shouldn't be allowed to