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Apple Bans FB Internal apps

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Jan 30

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    • Facebook / EngLighthouse
      That's the only logical reason I can think of for why they've suddenly started caring about an app/program that's been available since 2016.
      Jan 30
    • Nvidia mkg
      Jan 30
    • Lyft IMCm30
      You know that the program violated the terms of Enterprise certs and that this exact the remediation called out in the terms of service?

      When something called out in a legal document as the only response to an action happens, it isn't targeted, it's fucking expected
      Jan 30
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      That or because this story just broke yesterday and Apple has to do something public.
      Jan 30
    • Inkling Systems bayareagg1
      FB’s was a feature Apple was a bug
      Jan 30
    • eBay buyitmeow
      He sleeps very well. Probably on a 6,000 dollar tempurpedic bed.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook uRGX22
      Omfg, why don’t you realize that all those big tech companies do basically the same stuff. Which is actually not as bad for users as it’s presented be journalists.
      Media companies also playing with users’ emotions and fears. Posting those “breaking news” just with a single goal—to make more money on it.
      Jan 30
    • Apple JobsAtApp
      Jan 30
  • Hallmark jafV21
    So glad I'm not working there. I bet the morale is ungodly low.
    Jan 3035
    • Facebook / Engthis.sucks
      Well 2.3b people use those pointless products. So well at least majority of the world at least finds it useful. So bafoons from Nielsen can go **
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / MgmtKYuG83
      “Fuck ethics, money is everything.”

      And that is why I deleted facebook.
      Jan 30
    • New @(^_^)@
      this.sucks what does FB do that you love? What would you change about FB? Do you have *any* moral qualms about anything FB has ever done?
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
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      Nielsen, do you have any idea how ridiculous you are? What does fb do? What the fuck do you create other than analytics so companies can target ads better. Fb does that on top of creating a global medium for people keeping in touch. (laugh if you want, but I've been keeping in touch with my military comrades over the globe for the last decade via fb)

      And Amazon is making snide comments about capitalism? @kyyg83, perhaps you need to leave Amazon and go work for the ACLU or EFF if you are really altruistic. Otherwise your about as hypocritical as fat old anti-gay Republican politicians giving blowjobs in truck stop bathrooms.

      And it's a sad day when people think litigious Oracle is better than FB.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook / Engtsgbj
      KYuG83, no one gives a shit about you old grandpa. We are after your kids and wife. They are hooked to FB and Instagram.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook / Engtsgbj
      At FB, we don't give a fuck about ethics and morality. Fuck them. We only care about money 💰💰. Make money at all cost.

      If we get caught doing shady shit, Miss Sandberg will apologize and lie about "we have to do better". Works everytime
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / MgmtKYuG83
      Anyone who follows my posts knows I regularly criticize Amazon. The company changed since I joined. But at least acknowledge it and I make efforts to improve it, rather than embrace an attitude of screwing over other people for the sake of profit with zero self-reflection.

      Also, at least Amazon’s user base is still growing. When I started, our market cap was less than Facebook’s. Today, ours is twice yours. Facebook’s biggest problem is that it doesn’t bring users much convenience or joy anymore, repeatedly violates their privacy, and is not a particularly resilient or diversified business model. It is very prone to going the way of Yahoo or Myspace, much faster than Amazon will.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
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      Good for you amazon, you've convinced yourself you're making Amazon better and take out your petty aggressions on other companies. It is pretty fucking foolish for Google, fb, and Apple engineers to be uppity about how morally superior they are to the other.

      And I have no clue why you think your company's valuation is even relevant to this discussion. Go tuck your penis in and go home...

      I actually love Amazon and if you wipe out all the small businesses, good for you.
      Jan 30
    • Amazon JazzyJassy
      Yikes the FB employees’ comments are truly shameful. Your immaturity is shocking and your delusion is apparent to everyone but yourselves.

      I recently deleted FB and Insta and I only feel better about my decision everyday.

      Your mistakes could be fixed, but your/Zuck’s hubris will be your downfall.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook / Engthis.sucks
      Too bad your companies valuation doesn't fill your pockets. #peasantpay
      Jan 31
  • Microsoft jdishvak
    I don't understand why this is a privacy issue. The users volunteered to have their privacy invaded for a fee. Apple clearly allows apps from the store to technically do this. Facebook has user consent in this case. Is Apple hoping for a new revenue stream ? 😂
    Jan 3011
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Because Facebook violated the terms of the enterprise developer program.
      Jan 30
    • Pacific Life Corporation jVeM26
      That is the reason. Facebook is distributing apps to non employees and for purposes other than research.
      Jan 30
    • Microsoft jdishvak
      I should have read this article. Read a different one which didn't quite state this. Yeah the ban seems deserved.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook / EnggJJA84
      Yeah it's really not that complicated. FB violated the agreement with Apple.
      Jan 30
    • Zillow Group anKW36
      If they are being paid, they are technically contractors. Not familiar with the TOS, but would expect contractors to be included in that. Maybe it’s not “internal” enough, though.
      Jan 30
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why not familiarize yourself with the TOS, before opining?
      Jan 30
    • Coyote Logistics Any_Mouse
      Jan 30
    • Lyft alqt61
      It's also not just taking the users data, but everyone else's data who interacts with the user
      Jan 30
    • Microsoft waesrdtf
      Let’s be honest. Apple is just playing politics here. They have been on the news for the past 3 days about iPhone FaceTime Privacy.

      Wouldn’t it make sense for them to make the headlines about Facebook instead of them? This is the game they are playing.
      Jan 30
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      If Apple wanted to make headlines, they would pull the Facebook app from the App Store. That is what they do to other developers that willfully violate the developer agreements.
      Jan 30
  • Qualtrics / Engcodetastic
    If I’m messaging someone who has this on their phone, did I consent to have my communications wiretapped? Of course not. Any other developer who did this would have all their apps pulled, FB is lucky to only have their enterprise cert pulled for blatantly breaking the rules.
    Jan 3013
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      You also probably never text with Android users, right lol?
      Jan 31
    • Qualtrics / Engcodetastic
      Dependence on telco carriers is a necessity; I can still dislike the practices of some of these carriers (selling location data) and still be critical of Facebook.
      Jan 31
    • Qualtrics / Engcodetastic
      The whataboutism is strong here; Facebook is full of ethically and morally bankrupt individuals who don’t give a shit about privacy as long as their pay goes up. Glad I turned down an offer there.
      Jan 31
    • Apple ///
      @Gdhsbbsisu actually....I really don’t 😂😂😂
      Jan 31
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      I think the rules or consent which you appeal to simply do not exist because of that Telco analogy.
      Jan 31
    • Qualtrics / Engcodetastic
      So you’re saying that communicating digitally == consenting to any and every company listening in, permanently storing the contents, and monetizing that data? What an absurd position to take.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      No, there are no rules about consent at all. If you don't live in EU, any company can do whatever they want with your data once it gets in their hands, expect for selling it to other companies.
      Jan 31
    • Qualtrics / Engcodetastic
      There are many states where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of both parties involved. Phone support for companies must tell you that the call is recorded “for quality assurance purposes”. Why would Facebook be immune to that? If I’m talking to someone with this on their phone, every conversation should start with “Facebook is recording this call for market research and advertising purposes”.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      Are you a moron or just pretending? Voice calls is a completely separate thing which is illegal not in many states, but in the entire US. There is no way you can have a text conversation without recording it, this is why voice is treated differently.
      Jan 31
    • Foursquare / Engakerka
      Do you mean Facebook actually spys on my Whatsapp conversations while claiming it is end-to-end encrypted?
      Feb 2
  • Facebook isBo30
    Truly nauseated by comments from FB employees in this thread. Don’t think I’ve ever been surrounded by so many people who are allergic to accountability and addicted to magical thinking. That app and everything about the way it was marketed is fuckin gross.
    Jan 305
    • Cisco / Otherendofdays9
      Solid.
      Jan 30
    • General Motors hdhdj
      If I was Zuck or Sheryl, those are the folks I would want to fill my company with. If they could digest and defend this, nothing will alter their unconditional loyalty. Remind me of another group of people who invent reasons to justify every act of their Man!
      Jan 30
    • New @(^_^)@
      I haven't been on Blind for too long but I've always wanted to have an honest discussion with FB employees. Obviously there are some bright folks working at FB. Do the morals just not matter? If they don't matter now, when do they? Where is *your* line?

      P.S. Give your balls a tug and get out.
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / MgmtKYuG83
      Clearly it matters for some. Others in this thread have openly said “fuck ethics, money is everything,” and then made fun of others for making less money.

      To these facebook employees, a congressman or humanitarian or school teacher are human garbage because they do not make as much money as a facebook engineer. To these employees also, they must feel deeply inadequate compared to successful investment bankers or entrepreneurs. Because money is everything in their life.

      But there are other facebook employees who understand they can’t take the money with them when they die and other values may have higher priority.
      Jan 30
    • DocuSign NbDx80
      This will be the anchor to their success, this mindset won’t change with this job or event and will follow them in all that they do... which in turn defines a persons character
      Jan 31
  • Apple woodo
    And Google has no balls to do the same.
    Jan 304
  • Apple h4krBell3
    Man, some FB people are kind of mean.
    Jan 304
    • Amazon / MgmtKYuG83
      Lots of toxic tech bros at facebook.

      Facebook is not fun quirky nerdy engineers who love computing anymore. Those are the types of people who would have been engineers in any era. Facebook today is comprised of the kind of bro who went for the highest paying major. In the 90’s, they would have become i-bankers. But today they are engineers. Their ethical compass is calibrated only on the monetary value they can extract through their employments. They do not seek to provide value for their services or extract any other form of enrichment. They only want money.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
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      TC or GTFO Amazon bro.
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / MgmtKYuG83
      310. Who does it matter to?
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
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      Sorry couldn't help myself. Just meta-trolling.
      Jan 30
  • Facebook 2fast⚡️
    I don’t understand why they didn’t use different licenses for different purposes or at least consult with Apple if they aren’t sure. It was a clear red flag to use internal purpose license for external users.

    Facebook deserves this. Full stop. I wish the company stops doing stupid shit and get some adult oversight.
    Jan 303
    • Genentech PapaBeary
      Facebook has adult oversight. Zuckerberg and Sheryl are both grown adults, and it's time we started demanding accountability from them.

      From what I heard, Facebook had a VPN app that was violating privacy and Apple had asked them to pull it back. Then Facebook came up with a workaround calling it a "Research app" for internal use only.
      Jan 30
    • Apple AdmiralAck
      To be clear, they didn't want to because they knew the answer would be "no, you can't have all the data".

      So why listen to rules when you can sideline an app and not have to worry about those pesky rules?

      This is just poor decision making, and it sucks that it affects so much of FB, but GD if some executives over there didn't shit the bed for all of you.
      Jan 30
    • Apple
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      @papabeary the “research app” was running since 2016 which is way before the VPN app (Onavo) was pulled back. Get your facts straight otherwise don’t comment here and spread fake news. At least take the time to read one article before giving your expert opinion.
      Jan 30
  • General Motors hdhdj
    FB could argue, since they paid those users for installing the spywares, they are effectively contractors and it's not a violation of apple policies. But this is absolutely disgusting that they would exploit the ignorance of kids
    Jan 307
    • Intel alienware
      FB was once again caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Using kids for this is a joke. Love it.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook hphpd
      Parental consent was required for minors https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/facebook-is-paying-teens-to-install-a-research-app-that-1832182370/amp (purely stating fact, not an opinion in favour or against this app)
      Jan 30
    • General Motors hdhdj
      Yes, but an average parent would have trusted Apple policies and wouldn't have thought twice before consenting. You can 'purely state facts' when you play clean and act in good faith
      Jan 30
    • Facebook hphpd
      It's not Apple policies they would need parental consent for, there was (believe it or not) an actual process with legal forms and documents

      The "using kids" conjecture and "not complying with Apple TOS" fact are separate things
      Jan 30
    • General Motors hdhdj
      Would you sign that form for your kids?
      Jan 30
    • Facebook hphpd
      I'm not here to tell parents or children what to do
      Jan 30
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
      OP
      The ‘using kids’ narrative has been created by (FB hating) media, only thing that is worthy of being flagged here is that non-employees were allowed to use the app.
      Jan 30
  • Commenting for likes
    Jan 300
  • Facebook Omzh16
    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. (:
    Jan 302
    • What was the prize (not price)
      Jan 30
    • Facebook Omzh16
      Getting around their enterprise agreement with Apple to do whatever goofy stuff they wanted with Onavo was the stupid game, getting their enterprise stuff shut down for blatantly breaking Apple’s TOS was their stupid prize.
      Jan 30
  • T-Mobile novi13
    It seems that Facebook has no ethics.
    Jan 3011
    • T-Mobile novi13
      I believe it’s a degree of how far companies are willing to go. If a company is founded on selling your data as revenue model, it will always be too close to the line they can’t cross. Apple, Google on the other hand have other massive revenue models. They all collect data but it’s not their bread and butter.
      Jan 31
    • Vlocity FTJU
      It pretty much is for Google. 84 % of their total revenue in 2017 was ads. FB does not sell your data. It is not a data broker. Everyone who makes money from ads has the same model, including apple.
      Jan 31
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      @FTJU did any other company used teens to install app for money?
      Jan 31
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
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      Lol this teen narrative is completely an evil creation of the media and people like you buying into it. I dont see a problem if the parents had to sign multiple forms and give consent for their child to participate, the parents wanted to the money and they did what they had to.
      The media doesnt have a problem with teens buying cigarettes without parent consent but if FB is paying them all hell broke lose 👏🏽👏🏽
      Jan 31
    • New nakt50
      @Pssst. There were no “multiple forms” or anything of the sort, it was literally a checkbox on the signup form
      Jan 31
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Point is the parent signed it....and less than 5 percent of people were teens...the media just puts the word teens in the headline to grab eyeballs...
      Jan 31
    • New nakt50
      Signed what? You really think the 14y/o handed their phone to their parent to check the checkbox while explaining to them what they were asking to sign up for? Do you actually even think a 14y/o understands what level of access they’re granting s company when they install an outside root cert on their device?
      Jan 31
    • Apple bqdp
      Equating all big tech companies is a false equivalency. Apple doesn’t collect user data on any serious scale, and what they do collect is anonymized.

      This makes perfect sense since their revenue comes directly from hardware sales, and they’ve made privacy a selling point of that hardware, and so in this case, privacy is actually aligned with their business interest.

      Beyond that, pragmatically they have no reason to collect data since they don’t have the expertise to do anything useful with that data.
      Jan 31
    • Vlocity FTJU
      @bdqp agree with everything you said. Data collected by all big companies is anonymized, even Facebook.
      Jan 31
  • Cisco / Otherendofdays9
    Amazing to read the low-grade Facebook employees. Shout out to the two non-scumbags who posted and middle finger to the “don’t care/making bank” losers.
    Jan 300
  • Cisco / Otherendofdays9
    Obvious PR move that wouldn’t be possible if Facebook wasn’t unethical scum.
    Jan 310
  • FB employees are sleazy and proud
    Jan 300
  • Facebook sheck wes
    Tim got his balls twisted I guess
    Jan 301
    • Google topCon
      Maybe. But he's sure twisting zuck's now.
      Jan 30
  • Airo Health eooB85
    Lol you really think FB legal doesn’t have a way to show those kids aren’t FB? The easiest thing is to make the contractors as they are already getting paid. Then it’s probably not a violation of Apple enterprise TOS. Apple is doing this because then appear pro privacy, which is their thing as all other players are not that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s exactly what apple should do to leverage the situation. But acting like fb did something horrendously wrong doesn’t make sense to me.
    Jan 302
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
      OP
      That would be genius if they can prove by paying the people they are not violating the terms legally, there is a difference though between being on a payroll and getting paid for a installing something which I hope the Apple policies would take into account or else facebook would not have agreed to take it down on iOS apps. That said, it has not yet gone to the courts so cant say what the stand might be.
      Jan 30
    • Airo Health eooB85
      It is not up to apple to define because if they did, they would have to come up with a custom definition of and it would be a legal/support nightmare to figure out which orgs meet it. What they do is take standardized legal definitions like “employee” and “contractor” and build on top of that.

      It is very unlikely to go to court. It’s mostly just taking a pro privacy stance and this increasing brand value.
      Jan 30
  • Salesforce iOhana
    I had no strong extreme opinion about this issue when I first learned about it. I just thought people made bad decisions, it got hyped, magnified, and it caught up with them, whoever these people are. But after reading this thread, FB folks shoving TCs all over your face if you have a strong opinion about FBs ethics as a company. F*cking disgusting. We get it, you’re the highest paid engineers in tech. But some people here make more money than they actually need, and have even more time to enjoy it. Get over your narcissistic selves, you’re embarrassing.
    Jan 310
  • Amazon Ndat12
    No one at Facebook in their right mind would participate in that beta program. Because they knew their colleagues would see all their private phone calls, etc. That's why they had to pay teenagers to be the guinea pigs.
    Jan 300
  • Qualcomm Pssst.
    OP
    For sure this seems like a mistake from FB but it seems like Google was doing the same thing: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/30/google-apologizes-for-violating-apple-policy.html

    For all the people who are fighting to defend Apple, we should know soon if they stick to their ‘morals’ by doing the same with Google.

    TBH, all the companies are in the business of making money and if something hurts the flow of money, ethics come second to that unless making a ‘SHOW OF ETHICS’ gets you more popularity.
    Jan 303
    • Vlocity FTJU
      They should have by now. The news is out in open. It ll be interesting seeing what they do.
      Jan 30
    • Google immediately quit their scheme “voluntarily” it seems
      Jan 30
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Voluntarily after one company gets caught. Funny.
      Jan 30
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    As they should. The terms of the program are clear.
    Jan 300
  • Apple SXHX43
    Do you guys know FB on iOS is a voice over ip app so it can stay running in the back ground all the time? That is why the fb app is both a memory and battery hog. Come on fb, get your acts together clean this up.
    Jan 301
    • Yahoo KccO10
      So ban it. Go ahead. I dare you.
      Feb 2
  • Facebook / Engdelete[]
    Nah. Apple needed a nice cover-up to deflect their Facetime disaster.
    Feb 14
    • Cisco / Otherendofdays9
      Facebook employees pretending the rapidly addressed FaceTime bug compares to even a month’s worth of facebook’s ongoing scandals is hilarious.

      Look, we get it, shame is hard and you want to feel good about yourselves instead of feeling like assholes for working for the only company in the valley more despised than Palantir. We get it.
      Feb 1
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Really dude...you seriously think all the Facebook stuff you have heard is that serious. The biggest of them all scandals, Cambridge analytical was already sorted out by the time it was reported, and FB has been pretty straightforward and transparent about every leak or bug discovered since. If you think Facebook sells data, you are completely mistaken and need to understand the ad business better. I don't even work for Facebook but all of this is so being blown out of proportion. Apple decided to block FB aps coz it would get them news, they did not even bother looking at Google until Google came out. Apple should enforce policies they have created, but this is just being an asshole. Any Enterprise products company would give customers a fair warning before just blocking them.
      Feb 1
    • Cisco / Otherendofdays9
      Cambridge was “sorted out.”

      We get it. Shame is hard. You’re having trouble dealing with the reality of the situation. Facebook has been “straightforward” like the CEO lying to Congress.

      I know you won’t admit it, but you are t fooling anyone. Go out and tell people how proud you are to work for Facebook and keep the faith, no one is going to be sitting there judging you for what an out of touch, obviously unethical tool you sound like.
      Feb 1
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Lol...read what I wrote. I do not work for Facebook and I never have worked for them. Cambridge analytical was a mistake, not a deliberate scam. I am just sick of people being so biased about everything. Three FB employees act like assholes and it makes it to a article, three employees write reviews for portal and the media pounces on it. It's a shame and shows the quality of journalism in this country. Everyone just likes shitting on stuff and very conveniently ignore whatever good happens on FB. Just see the funds raised or all the small businesses that make a living on FB. Yes,shame is hard but reason is hard too. Facebook should be penalized for all their mistakes and so should all the other companies that do sneaky shit. If privacy is the debate than criticize everyone and don't take sides.
      Feb 1
  • Vungle jingjong
    Does Apple buy data fromsame data vendors as fb and goog
    Jan 304
    • Apple bqdp
      Apple’s business model is not based on collecting data. In fact, it would be counterproductive, since they’ve made a big marketing push around privacy.
      Jan 30
    • Apple AdmiralAck
      The hell is vungle?
      Jan 30
    • Yahoo KccO10
      Uh, Apple collects data. And they use it in the same way that FB does - to improve products. Apple may not use the data to target ads, but they use it to target products.
      Feb 2
    • Apple bqdp
      Apple collects minuscule amounts of data compared to other tech players. The main thing we collect are aggregated crash logs. Some usage statistics. Almost nothing related to user data or metadata.
      Feb 2
  • Vlocity FTJU
    I would not want people like these working at my company. I believe that a lot of FB related news is BS but folks who will justify shit by talking about how FB is cool only because they get paid more are just the worst employees. Any decent employee would bring facts or reason into an argument. You clearly don't care about your company or what it does.
    Jan 300
  • Salesforce MahovihS
    Yup they are being rude and they are supporting it by saying they have the right to be rude because they are making a ton of money.
    Jan 300
  • General Motors hdhdj
    And if it wasn't for Apple, FB would have bought their silence.
    Jan 300
  • Command Alkon kibblez
    Apple pitching fits again . I'm kind of on their side though... Teenagers can't give consent... shouldn't be allowed to
    Jan 303
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
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      Read the article, all teenagers had to get parents consent to participate, nothing wrong with that.
      Jan 30
    • Command Alkon kibblez
      I dunno .... Parents consent saying it's ok for kids to drink is still illegal. I might argue that things like that set precedent.
      Jan 30
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
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      @kibblez You are comparing two totally different things!! there is no law that limits the age at which teens cannot use an app and make money, half of the social influencers would fall into that category
      Jan 31
  • Uber / Eng
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    Obvious PR move
    Jan 300
  • Amazon Doramon
    I think Apple is looking for monopoly. But its failed to understand that once i purchase a device i am free to deploy what i want.
    Jan 300
  • Adobe / Engusheywg
    Good
    Jan 300
  • Intel alienware
    Apple and Facebook - The weakness of these companies are finally showing
    Jan 301
    • Intel / Mktg
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      I wouldn’t speak too soon...
      Jan 30
  • New
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    Only reason apple did this is to deflect attention from FaceTime issue 🤣
    Jan 310
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    It might leads to bunch of lawsuits
    Lol
    Jan 300

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