Apple Bans FB Internal apps

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Jan 30 155 Comments

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  • Hallmark jafV21
    So glad I'm not working there. I bet the morale is ungodly low.
    Jan 30 36
    • Amazon / Mgmt KYuG83
      Anyone who follows my posts knows I regularly criticize Amazon. The company changed since I joined. But at least acknowledge it and I make efforts to improve it, rather than embrace an attitude of screwing over other people for the sake of profit with zero self-reflection.

      Also, at least Amazon’s user base is still growing. When I started, our market cap was less than Facebook’s. Today, ours is twice yours. Facebook’s biggest problem is that it doesn’t bring users much convenience or joy anymore, repeatedly violates their privacy, and is not a particularly resilient or diversified business model. It is very prone to going the way of Yahoo or Myspace, much faster than Amazon will.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
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      Good for you amazon, you've convinced yourself you're making Amazon better and take out your petty aggressions on other companies. It is pretty fucking foolish for Google, fb, and Apple engineers to be uppity about how morally superior they are to the other.

      And I have no clue why you think your company's valuation is even relevant to this discussion. Go tuck your penis in and go home...

      I actually love Amazon and if you wipe out all the small businesses, good for you.
      Jan 31
    • Amazon JazzyJassy
      Yikes the FB employees’ comments are truly shameful. Your immaturity is shocking and your delusion is apparent to everyone but yourselves.

      I recently deleted FB and Insta and I only feel better about my decision everyday.

      Your mistakes could be fixed, but your/Zuck’s hubris will be your downfall.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook / Eng this.sucks
      Too bad your companies valuation doesn't fill your pockets. #peasantpay
      Jan 31
    • Facebook dewinter
      I worked a long time at Apple, and am currently at FB. From what I’ve observed, I genuinely think both companies come from a place of positive intent. They want to do good in the world, while killing it financially, and don’t think these are polar aims. There aren’t a lot of d-bags running around either company. The vast majority are hardworking, intense, and dedicated to perfecting their little piece of the puzzle. However, Apple is like Japan. There are cultural rules, you learn the rules quickly, and the culture extends to everyone and everything. There are no individuals at Apple. The most important thing is the Apple brand, and the preservation of the brand. Everyone puts brand first, before even their own interests. Why? People at Apple love Apple, it had meaning in their lives long before they came there. That’s something very unique. But the other thing about Apple is, Apple is more calculated than you can imagine. Apple doesn’t make mistakes of naïveté. Apple has spent 25 years learning to play the press like a banjo. From what I’ve seen of Facebook, that level of calculation doesn’t yet exist. Facebook doesn’t yet know how to make the press its b*tch. It hasn’t even occurred to them that this the work of decades. That’s why FB takes press beatings- it hasn’t spent 20 years building it’s fortress, building a culture where no one would leak, because much as you may despise your boss or a situation, you would never hurt Apple, that thing you worked so hard to protect. So when I read press saying FB is cunning, is devious, I laugh. No. Apple is cunning. Facebook just “moves fast and breaks things” and think speed trumps caution. Apple takes caution to the extreme. Facebook seems to be learning, slowly and painfully.
      Feb 24
  • Microsoft jdishvak
    I don't understand why this is a privacy issue. The users volunteered to have their privacy invaded for a fee. Apple clearly allows apps from the store to technically do this. Facebook has user consent in this case. Is Apple hoping for a new revenue stream ? 😂
    Jan 30 11
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Why not familiarize yourself with the TOS, before opining?
      Jan 30
    • Coyote Logistics Any_Mouse
      Jan 30
    • Lyft alqt61
      It's also not just taking the users data, but everyone else's data who interacts with the user
      Jan 30
    • Microsoft waesrdtf
      Let’s be honest. Apple is just playing politics here. They have been on the news for the past 3 days about iPhone FaceTime Privacy.

      Wouldn’t it make sense for them to make the headlines about Facebook instead of them? This is the game they are playing.
      Jan 30
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      If Apple wanted to make headlines, they would pull the Facebook app from the App Store. That is what they do to other developers that willfully violate the developer agreements.
      Jan 30
  • Qualtrics / Eng codetastic
    If I’m messaging someone who has this on their phone, did I consent to have my communications wiretapped? Of course not. Any other developer who did this would have all their apps pulled, FB is lucky to only have their enterprise cert pulled for blatantly breaking the rules.
    Jan 30 13
    • Qualtrics / Eng codetastic
      So you’re saying that communicating digitally == consenting to any and every company listening in, permanently storing the contents, and monetizing that data? What an absurd position to take.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      No, there are no rules about consent at all. If you don't live in EU, any company can do whatever they want with your data once it gets in their hands, expect for selling it to other companies.
      Jan 31
    • Qualtrics / Eng codetastic
      There are many states where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of both parties involved. Phone support for companies must tell you that the call is recorded “for quality assurance purposes”. Why would Facebook be immune to that? If I’m talking to someone with this on their phone, every conversation should start with “Facebook is recording this call for market research and advertising purposes”.
      Jan 31
    • Facebook Gdhsbbsisu
      Are you a moron or just pretending? Voice calls is a completely separate thing which is illegal not in many states, but in the entire US. There is no way you can have a text conversation without recording it, this is why voice is treated differently.
      Jan 31
    • Foursquare / Eng akerka
      Do you mean Facebook actually spys on my Whatsapp conversations while claiming it is end-to-end encrypted?
      Feb 2
  • Facebook isBo30
    Truly nauseated by comments from FB employees in this thread. Don’t think I’ve ever been surrounded by so many people who are allergic to accountability and addicted to magical thinking. That app and everything about the way it was marketed is fuckin gross.
    Jan 30 5
    • Cisco / Other endofdays9
      Solid.
      Jan 30
    • General Motors hdhdj
      If I was Zuck or Sheryl, those are the folks I would want to fill my company with. If they could digest and defend this, nothing will alter their unconditional loyalty. Remind me of another group of people who invent reasons to justify every act of their Man!
      Jan 30
    • New @(^_^)@
      I haven't been on Blind for too long but I've always wanted to have an honest discussion with FB employees. Obviously there are some bright folks working at FB. Do the morals just not matter? If they don't matter now, when do they? Where is *your* line?

      P.S. Give your balls a tug and get out.
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / Mgmt KYuG83
      Clearly it matters for some. Others in this thread have openly said “fuck ethics, money is everything,” and then made fun of others for making less money.

      To these facebook employees, a congressman or humanitarian or school teacher are human garbage because they do not make as much money as a facebook engineer. To these employees also, they must feel deeply inadequate compared to successful investment bankers or entrepreneurs. Because money is everything in their life.

      But there are other facebook employees who understand they can’t take the money with them when they die and other values may have higher priority.
      Jan 30
    • DocuSign NbDx80
      This will be the anchor to their success, this mindset won’t change with this job or event and will follow them in all that they do... which in turn defines a persons character
      Jan 31
  • Apple woodo
    And Google has no balls to do the same.
    Jan 30 4
  • Apple h4krBell3
    Man, some FB people are kind of mean.
    Jan 30 4
    • Amazon / Mgmt KYuG83
      Lots of toxic tech bros at facebook.

      Facebook is not fun quirky nerdy engineers who love computing anymore. Those are the types of people who would have been engineers in any era. Facebook today is comprised of the kind of bro who went for the highest paying major. In the 90’s, they would have become i-bankers. But today they are engineers. Their ethical compass is calibrated only on the monetary value they can extract through their employments. They do not seek to provide value for their services or extract any other form of enrichment. They only want money.
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
      facerber

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      facerbermore
      TC or GTFO Amazon bro.
      Jan 30
    • Amazon / Mgmt KYuG83
      310. Who does it matter to?
      Jan 30
    • Facebook
      facerber

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      facerbermore
      Sorry couldn't help myself. Just meta-trolling.
      Jan 30
  • Facebook 2fast⚡️
    I don’t understand why they didn’t use different licenses for different purposes or at least consult with Apple if they aren’t sure. It was a clear red flag to use internal purpose license for external users.

    Facebook deserves this. Full stop. I wish the company stops doing stupid shit and get some adult oversight.
    Jan 30 3
    • Genentech PapaBeary
      Facebook has adult oversight. Zuckerberg and Sheryl are both grown adults, and it's time we started demanding accountability from them.

      From what I heard, Facebook had a VPN app that was violating privacy and Apple had asked them to pull it back. Then Facebook came up with a workaround calling it a "Research app" for internal use only.
      Jan 30
    • Apple AdmiralAck
      To be clear, they didn't want to because they knew the answer would be "no, you can't have all the data".

      So why listen to rules when you can sideline an app and not have to worry about those pesky rules?

      This is just poor decision making, and it sucks that it affects so much of FB, but GD if some executives over there didn't shit the bed for all of you.
      Jan 30
    • Apple
      niXC18

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      @papabeary the “research app” was running since 2016 which is way before the VPN app (Onavo) was pulled back. Get your facts straight otherwise don’t comment here and spread fake news. At least take the time to read one article before giving your expert opinion.
      Jan 30
  • General Motors hdhdj
    FB could argue, since they paid those users for installing the spywares, they are effectively contractors and it's not a violation of apple policies. But this is absolutely disgusting that they would exploit the ignorance of kids
    Jan 30 7
    • General Motors hdhdj
      Yes, but an average parent would have trusted Apple policies and wouldn't have thought twice before consenting. You can 'purely state facts' when you play clean and act in good faith
      Jan 30
    • Facebook hphpd
      It's not Apple policies they would need parental consent for, there was (believe it or not) an actual process with legal forms and documents

      The "using kids" conjecture and "not complying with Apple TOS" fact are separate things
      Jan 30
    • General Motors hdhdj
      Would you sign that form for your kids?
      Jan 30
    • Facebook hphpd
      I'm not here to tell parents or children what to do
      Jan 30
    • Qualcomm Pssst.
      OP
      The ‘using kids’ narrative has been created by (FB hating) media, only thing that is worthy of being flagged here is that non-employees were allowed to use the app.
      Jan 30
  • Commenting for likes
    Jan 30 0
  • Facebook Omzh16
    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. (:
    Jan 30 2
    • What was the prize (not price)
      Jan 30
    • Facebook Omzh16
      Getting around their enterprise agreement with Apple to do whatever goofy stuff they wanted with Onavo was the stupid game, getting their enterprise stuff shut down for blatantly breaking Apple’s TOS was their stupid prize.
      Jan 30
  • T-Mobile novi13
    It seems that Facebook has no ethics.
    Jan 30 11
    • New nakt50
      @Pssst. There were no “multiple forms” or anything of the sort, it was literally a checkbox on the signup form
      Jan 31
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Point is the parent signed it....and less than 5 percent of people were teens...the media just puts the word teens in the headline to grab eyeballs...
      Jan 31
    • New nakt50
      Signed what? You really think the 14y/o handed their phone to their parent to check the checkbox while explaining to them what they were asking to sign up for? Do you actually even think a 14y/o understands what level of access they’re granting s company when they install an outside root cert on their device?
      Jan 31
    • Apple bqdp
      Equating all big tech companies is a false equivalency. Apple doesn’t collect user data on any serious scale, and what they do collect is anonymized.

      This makes perfect sense since their revenue comes directly from hardware sales, and they’ve made privacy a selling point of that hardware, and so in this case, privacy is actually aligned with their business interest.

      Beyond that, pragmatically they have no reason to collect data since they don’t have the expertise to do anything useful with that data.
      Jan 31
    • Vlocity FTJU
      @bdqp agree with everything you said. Data collected by all big companies is anonymized, even Facebook.
      Jan 31
  • Cisco / Other endofdays9
    Amazing to read the low-grade Facebook employees. Shout out to the two non-scumbags who posted and middle finger to the “don’t care/making bank” losers.
    Jan 30 0
  • Cisco / Other endofdays9
    Obvious PR move that wouldn’t be possible if Facebook wasn’t unethical scum.
    Jan 31 0
  • FB employees are sleazy and proud
    Jan 30 0
  • Facebook sheck wes
    Tim got his balls twisted I guess
    Jan 30 1
    • Google topCon
      Maybe. But he's sure twisting zuck's now.
      Jan 30
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    • Qualcomm Pssst.
      OP
      That would be genius if they can prove by paying the people they are not violating the terms legally, there is a difference though between being on a payroll and getting paid for a installing something which I hope the Apple policies would take into account or else facebook would not have agreed to take it down on iOS apps. That said, it has not yet gone to the courts so cant say what the stand might be.
      Jan 30
  • Salesforce iOhana
    I had no strong extreme opinion about this issue when I first learned about it. I just thought people made bad decisions, it got hyped, magnified, and it caught up with them, whoever these people are. But after reading this thread, FB folks shoving TCs all over your face if you have a strong opinion about FBs ethics as a company. F*cking disgusting. We get it, you’re the highest paid engineers in tech. But some people here make more money than they actually need, and have even more time to enjoy it. Get over your narcissistic selves, you’re embarrassing.
    Jan 31 0
  • Amazon Ndat12
    No one at Facebook in their right mind would participate in that beta program. Because they knew their colleagues would see all their private phone calls, etc. That's why they had to pay teenagers to be the guinea pigs.
    Jan 30 0
  • Facebook / Eng delete[]
    Nah. Apple needed a nice cover-up to deflect their Facetime disaster.
    Feb 1 4
    • Cisco / Other endofdays9
      Facebook employees pretending the rapidly addressed FaceTime bug compares to even a month’s worth of facebook’s ongoing scandals is hilarious.

      Look, we get it, shame is hard and you want to feel good about yourselves instead of feeling like assholes for working for the only company in the valley more despised than Palantir. We get it.
      Feb 1
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Really dude...you seriously think all the Facebook stuff you have heard is that serious. The biggest of them all scandals, Cambridge analytical was already sorted out by the time it was reported, and FB has been pretty straightforward and transparent about every leak or bug discovered since. If you think Facebook sells data, you are completely mistaken and need to understand the ad business better. I don't even work for Facebook but all of this is so being blown out of proportion. Apple decided to block FB aps coz it would get them news, they did not even bother looking at Google until Google came out. Apple should enforce policies they have created, but this is just being an asshole. Any Enterprise products company would give customers a fair warning before just blocking them.
      Feb 1
    • Cisco / Other endofdays9
      Cambridge was “sorted out.”

      We get it. Shame is hard. You’re having trouble dealing with the reality of the situation. Facebook has been “straightforward” like the CEO lying to Congress.

      I know you won’t admit it, but you are t fooling anyone. Go out and tell people how proud you are to work for Facebook and keep the faith, no one is going to be sitting there judging you for what an out of touch, obviously unethical tool you sound like.
      Feb 1
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Lol...read what I wrote. I do not work for Facebook and I never have worked for them. Cambridge analytical was a mistake, not a deliberate scam. I am just sick of people being so biased about everything. Three FB employees act like assholes and it makes it to a article, three employees write reviews for portal and the media pounces on it. It's a shame and shows the quality of journalism in this country. Everyone just likes shitting on stuff and very conveniently ignore whatever good happens on FB. Just see the funds raised or all the small businesses that make a living on FB. Yes,shame is hard but reason is hard too. Facebook should be penalized for all their mistakes and so should all the other companies that do sneaky shit. If privacy is the debate than criticize everyone and don't take sides.
      Feb 1