Compensation

Apple (Bay Area) or Facebook (Seattle)

Microsoft kyouma
Jun 19

I am undecided between two offers. Apple's project is more exciting to me, but the offer from Facebook is so convenient and compelling (and the project is also cool). I also think that the Apple team is more interested in me specifically than the Facebook team.

Apple ICT4 Bay area :200k base / 260 stock / 80 signin
FB E5 seattle: 170k base / 400 stock / 0 signin

I could also wait for google and Dropbox in Seattle , but I don't think I will be able to keep the offers from A and FB alive until then.

For reference. I am Ms l63 and both offers are way better than my ~200k TC including full vesting pipeline. My previous manager was awful and his feedback may haunt me for a couple of years, but my current manager and project are great.

The offers are not final, but I believe apple is at the highest extreme of ICT4.

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  • Zonar / Eng
    Mybewnanr

    ZonarEng

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    Mybewnanrmore
    If you feel any ethical responsibility at all then the choice should obviously be Apple....
    Jun 198
    • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
      Not really. Apple annoys me everyday by asking me to pay for iCloud ("you need to backup your phone, oh wait you need to pay for iCloud for the space") and upgrade iOS when they know they could stop the messages.
      Jun 20
    • Zonar / Eng
      Mybewnanr

      ZonarEng

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      Amazon
      Mybewnanrmore
      Apple doesnt mine your data and sell it to companies that try to influence you at an individual level to purchase specific products and vote in certain ways...
      Jun 20
    • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
      The only thing they convinced me to buy was the stupid purple pillow. As for voting, I only vote during presidential elections, which I talk to my friends about.
      Jun 20
    • Really? How many Chinese sweatshop workers killed themselves after being forced to meet strict deadlines for new Apple releases? Add in its ethical double dutch sandwich
      Jun 20
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      Does it make any difference if the offer is specifically for Oculus?
      Jun 20
    • Yes. Oculus is shit for niche of niche and will eventually die as a project. As much as I love John Carmack I don't see a world where I buy Oculus and I game everyday
      Jun 20
    • OpenText / Engno_scrubs
      Tsk tsk.... "Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey left the company he helped start in his garage following several months of public silence related to a scandal surrounding his funding of an anti-Clinton online action group during the 2016 presidential election. The scandal — and Luckey’s later admission — angered many in the developer community, with some threatening to boycott development on the platform."
      Jun 20
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      I had... Forgotten about that. Well, he is not there anymore. I think more about John Carmack at this point. However, all valid points. Will take it into consideration
      Jun 20
  • Apple iWork
    What team at Apple. We have offices in Seattle
    Jun 191
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      If they would let me work in Seattle, it would be a no brainer. Location is not negotiable. I asked. :(
      Jun 19
  • New EcVa56
    Apple has better mission and conduct. Some teams in ML are quite exciting.
    Jun 201
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      The team I would join in apple is as exciting as a team could possibly be
      Jun 20
  • Juniper jdid
    What did u decide? N what team at apple ?
    Jun 231
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      I haven't decided yet.
      The work and project seems to be more exciting at Apple, plus they seem to really care about getting me.
      However, because of cost of life adjustments and benefits , Facebook's offer is very attractive
      Jun 23
  • Amazon / Eng@!)6££><>
    OP, yoe?
    Jun 201
    • Microsoft kyouma
      OP
      6y + Ms and phd
      Jun 20
  • Apple KQnV22
    What did you decide?
    Sep 190
  • Uber ftds56
    Yoe?
    Jun 200
  • LinkedIn mNjP14
    What org in apple?
    Jun 200

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