Apple IC level for team lead?

Aug 15 9 Comments

what is IC level for team lead and what level will be equivalant of someone working as Staff go in apple?


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  • Apple


    I am ICT5 and lead projects but I also led projects as ICT4. To get to ICT5 you need to lead big initiatives / projects that have high visibility so you technically have to do that as ICT4
    Aug 16 1
    • Apple mapple
      Wow,you are not just a top performer at blind but at Apple too ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป
      Aug 16
  • Google


    Aug 15 2
    • OP
      I thought it was ICT5
      Aug 15
    • Apple Icml2017
      ICT5; lots of ICT4โ€™s in my team incl me who are not leads
      Aug 16
  • OP
    Make sense. I thought ICT5 is equivalent to staff engineer, whereas ICT4 is about sr software engineer. How easy is to get to ICT5 from ICT4?
    Do you see trying during interview for that position?
    Aug 16 1
    • Apple / Eng nosuch
      ICT4 has a broad TC range, so it covers high end of sr swe up to low end staff engineer. In most orgs, itโ€™s *very* hard for a hiring manager to bring anyone in as a 5, because success at that level depends as much on your ability to leverage Appleโ€™s culture as it does technical skills. Not many people that come in at 5 meet expectations, which screws their org, bc someone better canโ€™t get promoted.

      Difficulty getting to 5 can very by org, and you will need support of your manager to get put on the right projects.

      Iโ€™ve heard itโ€™s easier to get to 5 in Siri than in SWE or HWE, but ymmv.
      Aug 17
  • Apple / Eng

    Apple Eng

    Helping people realize their dreams.
    You can lead a project even being an ICT4, but Iโ€™d say to be at ICT5, you definitely need to lead projects. And being a team lead doesnโ€™t mean having direct reports.
    Aug 16 0
  • OP
    Are there any benefits difference? What to expect as refreshers at that level?
    Aug 15 0