Apple ICT5 Level Title

Facebook TDha20
May 21 24 Comments

I recently got an offer from Apple and recruiter said that the level is ICT5.

On the offer letter they mentioned title as "Senior Software Engineer". I asked the recruiter why not Staff and she said that Apple does not have any formal titles and I can call myself Staff on LinkedIn since that is that it maps to.

I have no formal confirmation that the level they are offering is ICT5 although she has sent me emails saying that it is ICT5.

Is that the way it usually is should I ask them to mention ICT5 on the offer letter?

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  • Apple FrydChickn
    You are focusing on the wrong things. Titles don’t mean jack shit here.

    Welcome to Apple :)
    May 21 3
    • Facebook TDha20
      OP
      Thanks! So my questions was more on like - should I believe the recruiter when she says it is ICT5 (without it being mentioned on the offer letter).

      Thanks for your guidance :)
      May 21
    • Apple FrydChickn
      Offer letters do not mention your IC level (at least mine did not).
      Once you get in, you can “see” your IC level in the internal HR account.
      I honestly don’t think you should ask the recruiter to mention ICx on the offer letter, why risk starting off on a bad note.
      May 21
    • Facebook TDha20
      OP
      I definitely don't want start on a sour note hence have not asked this to the recruiter.

      I think I will trust the recruiter on this one since she has been quite explicit about it in emails.

      Thanks again for your inputs!
      May 21
  • Apple appl3
    Offer numbers and yoe? They can give good insight into whether you were given an ICT5 offer
    May 21 3
    • Facebook TDha20
      OP
      offer is very comfortably in ICT5 range similar to E6 TC at Facebook.

      YoE - 6.5
      May 21
    • Cisco / Eng
      whatsapper

      Cisco Eng

      PRE
      Copart
      whatsappermore
      tc or GTFO
      May 21
    • Apple / Eng UuDq31
      ML?
      May 21
  • Apple HelloFresh
    Apple does not disclose the ICT level in the offer letter; moreover, we don't have titles like Senior or Staff (meaning, when you get promoted, your ICT level changes, but not your title). Congrats on the offer! I guess since you received a written letter, you have already verbally committed to Apple, so welcome to Apple!
    May 21 1
    • Facebook TDha20
      OP
      thank you!
      May 21
  • Apple Icml2017
    If your offer is E6 level at FB, then it has to be at least ICT5 at Apple. The title in offer letter is quite generic. I am ICT4 and if I remember correctly, the title was Software Engineer in offer letter. If I may ask, which org is this offer from?
    May 21 5
    • Amazon cnnfox
      If an Apple recruiter contacts you for Sr. SWE position in Siri, does it mean ict5 or can it be ict4 as well?
      May 21
    • Apple Icml2017
      Can be either; positions are usually open for a range of seniority. Each req has a lower level title and an upper level title.
      May 21
    • Google PnbK68
      Don't spread false info. I have ict4 offer that is well beyond E6 Facebook or L6 Google. ~650k without considering refreshes. ICT5 seems based on number of years of experience. Also 30% annual bonus but I think it is better to come in as outlier ICT4 and perform well to get strong refreshes
      May 22
    • Apple Icml2017
      I haven’t seen ICT4 with 650K TC in my 6 years at Apple (my roles have been ICT4/M1 which are somewhat equivalent in terms of TC). So definitely your case is an outlier. Also with your number of 650K TC (without refreshers), your joining RSUs will be in the order of 400K per year, ie above 1.5 million over 4 years. I haven’t heard that kind of RSUs in Apple at any IC level (don’t know much about ICT6 which are far and few).
      May 22
    • Uber kgfibdrj
      650k is impossible
      Sep 16
  • Apple appl3
    This got me wondering. Does ICT3 map to SWE 2/L4 and ICT2 map to SWE 1/L3 at other places? I have new graduates (BS not MS) on my team who started as ICT3s but that would mean they essentially skipped a level, no?
    May 22 0
  • Glassdoor qluch
    What's the offer ?
    May 21 0
  • Lam Research rektkid
    Geez how come 6.5 YOE join as T5? I’m at 8 and joined at T4
    May 21 2
    • Amazon / Eng
      simmadown

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Hiring in nyc for exciting high visibility project. PM me for deets, esp FAANG people.
      simmadownmore
      Cuz he came from FB and not Lam Research
      May 22
    • Lam Research rektkid
      That’s a shit reason . Company does not decide your level
      May 22
  • Apple django5
    What is the offer? Do post the breakdown
    May 23 0
  • Lam Research rektkid
    What are the annual refreshers for T4 and T5 for meet all ?
    May 23 0
  • Apple
    djeu63fhrj

    Apple

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    Google, Netflix
    djeu63fhrjmore
    Where is TC??
    May 21 0