Apple Offer Evaluation

New QbHS18
Feb 25, 2018 32 Comments

Base = $145K
RSUs = $105K
Sign On = $10K

I have 7 years of experience 3 of which is outside US. Recruiter budged from 140k base to 145k but not moving on any other numbers. Also no competing offers. Its a Software Engineer position with AppleCare org.

I believe it’s on the low end. And does anyone knows what ICT level is this position? Recruiter told me this not an entry level position

Edit: Location is Cupertino, CA

Thanks

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Definitely low. You should be at $1,000,000 base!
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng Fakir
    Offer is low for your experience
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Adobe RSPW64
    Seems low
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Glassdoor vkldrgb
    Looks like a great offer! Damn. I need to change jobs.
    Feb 25, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng Fakir
      Seriously?
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Chase / Product T3CH13
      Could be, for example in finance industry the above offer would be amazing. Do think seems low for Apple though.
      Feb 25, 2018
  • Akamai Technologies wePD25
    Depends on location. If this is Austin Texas then the offer is great. If Silicon Valley then it is very low
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • SAP / Eng LeetGod
    Diretly ask recruiter what ICT3. Your offer seems to be low when compared to salaries on Blind.
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Apple b00
    Is this in Cupertino? If you are relocating, have you done a thorough cost of living analysis? SF Bay is expensive.

    AppleCare pays less than Software Engineering and Services. If Cupertino, this is a middle of the road ICT 3 offer. Nothing exceptional. Your sign on bonus is low - new grads in SWE got a bigger signing bonus last year.

    ICT 3 at Apple equates to mid level engineer. For 7 years of applicable experience (location doesn’t matter), you should aim to be hired as a Sr. Engineer for your next career move. That means getting hired as an ICT 4 at Apple.

    I believe your negotiations are not working due to lack of leverage. The Recruiter is playing standard hardball making a 5k raise seem huge. Counter offers and the will to walk away will give you leverage.

    How did your interview go? Managers really don’t like to lose candidates at this stage. It takes forever to find a hire-able candidate. Remember this in your negotiation.

    How much % is this better than your current comp?
    Feb 25, 2018 4
    • New QbHS18
      OP
      Location is Cupertino. Because I didn’t have any other offers at that moment I accepted the verbal offer.

      My interviews went exceptionally well every manager I talked to in the interview was very impressed.

      I am currently working in a Startup in SF which also pays less than average. So overall comp is better.

      Is there a way after joining that I can move from AppleCare to SWE teams after about a year? Will this increase my total comp?
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Apple b00
      You’re eligible to transfer jobs internally after 12 months. But your comp will not change when you transfer. Per policy.

      Your compensation is more closely driven by your job level vs. what group you work in. If you’ve already accepted, I recommend you work on getting promoted to ICT 4 vs switching to SWE. Don’t get stuck at ICT 3.

      Are you still interviewing? Do you have another offer? Is your current employer interested in matching Apple?

      Usually, when you accept the verbal offer, the amount is presented to upper management for approval before you get it in writing. If you negotiate now, you are asking your manager to go through that nonsense again - maybe that leaves a bad taste in their mouth, maybe you get more $. It’s only worth it if you have an attractive competing offer.
      Feb 25, 2018
    • New QbHS18
      OP
      My goal is to move to ICT4 in a year if it’s possible so just wanted to accept the offer to get foot in the door. I live Santa Clara and my commute was hell so another reason to accept this offer was commute now it reduces from 1 hour 30 mins to 5 mins max
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Apple b00
      It’s possible but you need to wow your manager and skip level. At Apple you get promoted when your managers fight to retain and reward you.
      Feb 25, 2018
  • The Home Depot RrRrRr
    Everyone is saying the offer is low, but if it's your only offer it doesn't sound like you have much of a choice...
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft War
    At 7 years what else does someone want ? Do you think everyone with 20 years of experience earn > 200k
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Coupang / Eng
    zzzzxxxx

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    zzzzxxxxmore
    Lowball. They easily go over $200k.. a friend got it 3 years ago.
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • New
    cumshot

    New

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    cumshotmore
    Got 200+ base and 260k stocks as IC4 few months ago and think I was lowballed. 12 years experience 7 in Bay Area
    Feb 25, 2018 4
    • SAP / Eng LeetGod
      How many years of exp? Any joining bonus or yearly bonus?
      Feb 25, 2018
    • New
      cumshot

      New

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      cumshotmore
      80k signing, bonus is discretionary but usually around 10%
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Jgef31
      260k vesting per year? Or over 4 years?
      Feb 27, 2018
    • Elementum voPhkb
      May I ask what team was this for?
      Mar 23, 2018
  • Twitter hiflier
    Is the rsu $105k per year?
    Feb 25, 2018 2
    • New QbHS18
      OP
      Nope vest over 4 years
      Feb 25, 2018
    • Amazon Methane
      Had it been 105k per year, this offer would be a solid offer, though the base is still too low for your experience.
      Feb 26, 2018
  • Medallia mShU83
    Way low. They are lowballing you.
    Feb 25, 2018 1
    • Akamai Technologies wePD25
      Depends on location. The OP didn’t disclose location.
      Feb 25, 2018
  • Amazon Methane
    That's pretty shitty.
    Feb 26, 2018 0
  • Workday jaf2116
    What location?
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Quantcast fidup
    Be ready to walk away if you are really concerned about the $. With counter offers, it's just easy to walk away. Else you will be exploited.
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Bing
    Low.
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Blobs

    Microsoft Eng

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    Intel
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    Lets do it
    Blobsmore
    What location?
    Feb 25, 2018 0
  • Cisco Frorwt
    Indeed
    Feb 25, 2018 0

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