Base = $145K
RSUs = $105K
Sign On = $10K
I have 7 years of experience 3 of which is outside US. Recruiter budged from 140k base to 145k but not moving on any other numbers. Also no competing offers. Its a Software Engineer position with AppleCare org.
I believe it’s on the low end. And does anyone knows what ICT level is this position? Recruiter told me this not an entry level position
Edit: Location is Cupertino, CA
Base = $145K
- Is this in Cupertino? If you are relocating, have you done a thorough cost of living analysis? SF Bay is expensive.
AppleCare pays less than Software Engineering and Services. If Cupertino, this is a middle of the road ICT 3 offer. Nothing exceptional. Your sign on bonus is low - new grads in SWE got a bigger signing bonus last year.
ICT 3 at Apple equates to mid level engineer. For 7 years of applicable experience (location doesn’t matter), you should aim to be hired as a Sr. Engineer for your next career move. That means getting hired as an ICT 4 at Apple.
I believe your negotiations are not working due to lack of leverage. The Recruiter is playing standard hardball making a 5k raise seem huge. Counter offers and the will to walk away will give you leverage.
How did your interview go? Managers really don’t like to lose candidates at this stage. It takes forever to find a hire-able candidate. Remember this in your negotiation.
How much % is this better than your current comp?
- Location is Cupertino. Because I didn’t have any other offers at that moment I accepted the verbal offer.
My interviews went exceptionally well every manager I talked to in the interview was very impressed.
I am currently working in a Startup in SF which also pays less than average. So overall comp is better.
Is there a way after joining that I can move from AppleCare to SWE teams after about a year? Will this increase my total comp?
- You’re eligible to transfer jobs internally after 12 months. But your comp will not change when you transfer. Per policy.
Your compensation is more closely driven by your job level vs. what group you work in. If you’ve already accepted, I recommend you work on getting promoted to ICT 4 vs switching to SWE. Don’t get stuck at ICT 3.
Are you still interviewing? Do you have another offer? Is your current employer interested in matching Apple?
Usually, when you accept the verbal offer, the amount is presented to upper management for approval before you get it in writing. If you negotiate now, you are asking your manager to go through that nonsense again - maybe that leaves a bad taste in their mouth, maybe you get more $. It’s only worth it if you have an attractive competing offer.
- Got 200+ base and 260k stocks as IC4 few months ago and think I was lowballed. 12 years experience 7 in Bay Area